If that's your theory then fine. I don't think that's why more officials are counting. They're counting to prevent 6 on the floor. If your theory was true you would hear the whistle blow as soon as the ball was made live by handing it to the player throwing in the ball. That doesn't happen. Always happens after the play starts and they see a player by himself and it looking odd. It's ultimately the job of Coach Sullivan and the Cooper Jags but the officials IMO missed this at a really bad time.

 

Ultimately it's a error by the team HOWEVER, the difference between average refs and excellent refs is excellent refs do little things like ALWAYS count the number of players on the floor after time outs BEFORE blowing their whistle and putting the ball in play. These are little things that experienced refs learn at referee camp and those are the types of refs that get evaluated and selected to go to ref Sweet 16 and high profile games. This is not my opinion but comes from one the highest rated refs in the state who has worked mulitple boys and girls Sweet 16 events.

Ultimately it's a error by the team HOWEVER, the difference between average refs and excellent refs is excellent refs do little things like ALWAYS count the number of players on the floor after time outs BEFORE blowing their whistle and putting the ball in play. These are little things that experienced refs learn at referee camp and those are the types of refs that get evaluated and selected to go to ref Sweet 16 and high profile games. This is not my opinion but comes from one the highest rated refs in the state who has worked mulitple boys and girls Sweet 16 events.

 

I hear that, but this high rated ref would somehow get the attention of the team who has 6 players and tell them to remove the extra player before putting the ball in play? Why have the rule?

I disagree, but more on principal than what really happens. If the refs are counting, it is not to remind any team they have too many players. I would expect them to count so if as the ball is put in play and one team has 6 players they make the right call to assess a technical. To me, that is all on the coaching staff and players. The refs should take no blame unless they fail to make the appropriate call of too many players on the court. They should NOT in my opinion be a safety net for the staff or any of the teams. Just my thoughts, maybe in games they actually provide that safety net. I just don't feel they should.

 

Exactly why they are counting! It is the fault of the crew to administer a ball knowing 6 are on the floor. This is pre-gamed that the ball is not put into play until all 3 officials confirm with each other we have 10 players.

 

Colonel Pops, not trying to be a know it all and we each can have different thoughts on this and be right in our own mind. My theory would still be true because they can't blow the whistle after they hand over the ball. By rule the clock and violation would not occur until the ball is thrown in and touched by a player from either team, not when the ref hands it over to be thrown in. The clock starts after being touched on the throw in. That is when the whistle has to be blown and not before.

I have been an assistant and given the responsibility to count players after time outs and quarters begin. As a rule that should always be delegated and someone doing that. Mistakes happen and these are kids so I put more blame on the staff than anyone, but they make mistakes too. I also blame the team's fans behind the bench. Somebody should have been noticing it and hollering like crazy so the staff could have corrected it. I have been the fan that did that and perhaps saved my favorite team the technical. The head coach sort of looked at me weird, but it did not look like anyone on his staff or team were calling the extra kid off so I figure he should have thanked me.

If the refs had notified Cooper kids or coaching staff to avoid the technical, as the opposing coach I would have been upset and thought it was not right they did so. Again, just my opinion and we can each feel differently.

 

Never has a coach been upset. It’s exactly the right thing to do. Officials are game managers of the contest.

 

Ultimately it's a error by the team HOWEVER, the difference between average refs and excellent refs is excellent refs do little things like ALWAYS count the number of players on the floor after time outs BEFORE blowing their whistle and putting the ball in play. These are little things that experienced refs learn at referee camp and those are the types of refs that get evaluated and selected to go to ref Sweet 16 and high profile games. This is not my opinion but comes from one the highest rated refs in the state who has worked mulitple boys and girls Sweet 16 events.

 

THIS ^^^

 

I hear that, but this high rated ref would somehow get the attention of the team who has 6 players and tell them to remove the extra player before putting the ball in play? Why have the rule?

 

The rule is there bc it’s illegal, a technical, to have 6 on the floor during a live ball.

I hear that, but this high rated ref would somehow get the attention of the team who has 6 players and tell them to remove the extra player before putting the ball in play? Why have the rule?

 

I agree with your interpretation but many refs do this as a professional courtesy for both teams. I look as this along the lines of refs being professional and not whacking coaches with technical fouls and showing restraint anytime a coach "quote" disrespects or goes overboard on a ref. which happens a lot. Again, the refs put the ball in play so it is what it is and a clear violation by Cooper.

I hear that, but this high rated ref would somehow get the attention of the team who has 6 players and tell them to remove the extra player before putting the ball in play? Why have the rule?

 

Same reason officials say "get out of the lane, 54" or "In and out of the lane" or "quit pushing, 54." Preventive measures make the game go better.

That was an old video of Kunk back in the summer I am pretty sure. I know that he broke his nose in Lex Cath tournament. Not sure if it’s from that or not l

 

I was told he was having issues with the broken nose and had to have a small surgery on it. I'm not 100% on the amount of time he will be out but I know he is missing now because of the nose.