January 30, 20179 yr There are some slow people catching the sarcasm today. I caught the first one, that seemed realistic... My bad.
January 30, 20179 yr Those debates sucked worse than I thought. :lol2: She lied and moderator doubled down!
January 30, 20179 yr :lol2: She lied and moderator doubled down! And nobody disputed it!!! Just let it go on. I do still think stop and frisk has some potential to be a racial powder keg.
January 30, 20179 yr Don't need one... Stop and Frisk is legal now, judge just ruled the way NYC did it was wrong. Terry vs Ohio was settled a long time ago by the SCOTUS and gives police permission to approach if they have a reasonable suspicion of a possible crime or criminal behavior and if needed to pat down the person for the safety of both. But the idea of "stop and frisk" isn't a Terry stop. It's a policy of "randomly" stopping people to frisk them.
January 30, 20179 yr But the idea of "stop and frisk" isn't a Terry stop. It's a policy of "randomly" stopping people to frisk them. Thank you. Reasonable suspicion isn't probable cause but it has to mean something.
January 30, 20179 yr But the idea of "stop and frisk" isn't a Terry stop. It's a policy of "randomly" stopping people to frisk them. The judge's ruling related it back to a Terry Stop when saying that it was legal, that's why I mentioned it. It's still not illegal or unconstitutional.
January 30, 20179 yr Did you point this out as Obama surrounded himself with "yes people?" I would love to read that post, if you made one. I know why you chose your name. Always living in the past...
January 30, 20179 yr I know why you chose your name. Always living in the past... It is reasonable to ask why those that now complain about what Trump does was OK when Obama did it and visa versa.
January 30, 20179 yr The judge's ruling related it back to a Terry Stop when saying that it was legal, that's why I mentioned it. It's still not illegal or unconstitutional. Terry v Ohio says officers can stop and frisk someone if there's reasonable suspicion they've committed a crime. Police do this everyday. NYC's "stop and frisk" policy was to randomly stop people and frisk them as a proactive measure. The court said what NYC was doing lacked reasonable suspicion and was therefore unconstitutional. The court also said the policy disproportionately targeted minorities.
January 30, 20179 yr Terry v Ohio says officers can stop and frisk someone if there's reasonable suspicion they've committed a crime. Police do this everyday. NYC's "stop and frisk" policy was to randomly stop people and frisk them as a proactive measure. The court said what NYC was doing lacked reasonable suspicion and was therefore unconstitutional. The court also said the policy disproportionately targeted minorities. I said in my first post that the way NYC was doing it was deemed to be wrong, what is your point? I guess I'm missing it.
January 30, 20179 yr I said in my first post that the way NYC was doing it was deemed to be wrong, what is your point? I guess I'm missing it. I guess I'm confused about what point you're making too. It sounds to me like you're saying both NYC's policy and Terry stops fall under the term "stop and frisk," so when someone says "stop and frisk" is unconstitutional you're replying that it is perfectly constitutional because of Terry. But 99.9% of people who refer to "stop and frisk" or "nationwide stop and frisk" are referring to the NYC policy, which was ruled unconstitutional.
January 30, 20179 yr You and Jesse and his posse would be incensed if I detailed it out. Suffice it to say, I believe very strongly that what is in the best interest of the US as a whole is not what is being planned. I thought posse was a code word ? One of the boogey man things we are not supposed to use in 2017 ?
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