February 9, 20179 yr Had a facebook buddy go on a rant about DeVos. He claims he had to get a masters degree to initially start making $29,000 per year. After 16 years of teaching and another masters degree that he did not want, He is still poor and loaded with student loan debt! I'm wondering why is he blaming her when it was his decision to choose the career and get 2 masters and incur all of the debt.
February 9, 20179 yr Had a facebook buddy go on a rant about DeVos. He claims he had to get a masters degree to initially start making $29,000 per year. After 16 years of teaching and another masters degree that he did not want, He is still poor and loaded with student loan debt! I'm wondering why is he blaming her when it was his decision to choose the career and get 2 masters and incur all of the debt. You make a perfectly valid point. But on the flip-side of your argument, boy would we be royally scrod if we didn't have good folks like your buddy who are willing to go into teaching. To pseudo-quote my grandpa, "The world needs crap shovelers too, because if there are no crap shovelers, then how does the crap get shoveled? Let's be honest, we don't want to live in a world that's nothing but piles of crap, so we'd better pay some people to shovel our crap."
February 9, 20179 yr You make a perfectly valid point. But on the flip-side of your argument, boy would we be royally scrod if we didn't have good folks like your buddy who are willing to go into teaching. To pseudo-quote my grandpa, "The world needs crap shovelers too, because if there are no crap shovelers, then how does the crap get shoveled? Let's be honest, we don't want to live in a world that's nothing but piles of crap, so we'd better pay some people to shovel our crap." We're going to become fish :wideyed: :thumb:
February 9, 20179 yr We're going to become fish :wideyed: :thumb: That term is a hand-me-down from my old man.
February 9, 20179 yr You make a perfectly valid point. But on the flip-side of your argument, boy would we be royally scrod if we didn't have good folks like your buddy who are willing to go into teaching. To pseudo-quote my grandpa, "The world needs crap shovelers too, because if there are no crap shovelers, then how does the crap get shoveled? Let's be honest, we don't want to live in a world that's nothing but piles of crap, so we'd better pay some people to shovel our crap." "The world needs ditch diggers too Danny" Those who choose to go into low paying jobs with a need for higher education can do so by choice. Don't whine about it after you make your decision to spend sooo much money and go into sooo much debt if you don't want the job. Supply and demand. If no one wants those jobs or will do those jobs, the pay will go up.
February 9, 20179 yr "The world needs ditch diggers too Danny" Those who choose to go into low paying jobs with a need for higher education can do so by choice. Don't whine about it after you make your decision to spend sooo much money and go into sooo much debt if you don't want the job. Supply and demand. If no one wants those jobs or will do those jobs, the pay will go up. So then, theoretically, you are prepared to pay more money to teachers? A few more thoughts about that: val·ue ˈvalyo͞o noun 1. the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something. I work in the construction industry, and can pretty much guarantee you that an average laborer makes a minimum of $15/hr. Working a full 40hr week, that equates to $30,000 a year. Do we really only value our teachers as much as we value ditch diggers? Do we really only equate the people who teach our kids basic life skills like reading, writing and arithmetic to the people who are pushing a broom or digging a ditch on a construction site? Supply and demand is the core of capitalism. Do we really want our education to be based in a system that is infamous for showing lack of interest for the end user, and a system that disregards equality of outcome and equality of opportunity? What if the public universities were required to offer free tuition to public school teachers getting their requisite masters degrees?
February 9, 20179 yr So then, theoretically, you are prepared to pay more money to teachers? A few more thoughts about that: val·ue ˈvalyo͞o noun 1. the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something. I work in the construction industry, and can pretty much guarantee you that an average laborer makes a minimum of $15/hr. Working a full 40hr week, that equates to $30,000 a year. Do we really only value our teachers as much as we value ditch diggers? Do we really only equate the people who teach our kids basic life skills like reading, writing and arithmetic to the people who are pushing a broom or digging a ditch on a construction site? Supply and demand is the core of capitalism. Do we really want our education to be based in a system that is infamous for showing lack of interest for the end user, and a system that disregards equality of outcome and equality of opportunity? What if the public universities were required to offer free tuition to public school teachers getting their requisite masters degrees? Yes, In theory I'm willing to be prepared to have teachers make more money. In reality, There is plenty of supply. There are plenty of jobs that people will take less money to do, whether it is because they want to help others, they like what they do, work with children, work with the elderly, they like summers off, they like the outdoors, etc. It should shock no one that goes to school and than looks for a job, what pay scale for that profession is. If they are shocked, than their teachers didn't teach them very well or they were too stupid to look into it. As for your last question, no I'm not for any more free stuff given away by the government or my taxes!
February 9, 20179 yr Author Yes, In theory I'm willing to be prepared to have teachers make more money. In reality, There is plenty of supply. There are plenty of jobs that people will take less money to do, whether it is because they want to help others, they like what they do, work with children, work with the elderly, they like summers off, they like the outdoors, etc. It should shock no one that goes to school and than looks for a job, what pay scale for that profession is. If they are shocked, than their teachers didn't teach them very well or they were too stupid to look into it. As for your last question, no I'm not for any more free stuff given away by the government or my taxes! I agree and Americans should not be shocked when the results are what they are. There has never been an attempt to acquire the best and the brightest to teach our youth.
February 10, 20179 yr These clowns should've been arrested. Protestors Block Sec. DeVos from Entering School
February 10, 20179 yr These clowns should've been arrested. Protestors Block Sec. DeVos from Entering School Or run over....
February 10, 20179 yr These clowns should've been arrested. Protestors Block Sec. DeVos from Entering School All cops and politicians are afraid to do any thing to protesters. It's part of the issue.
February 10, 20179 yr So then, theoretically, you are prepared to pay more money to teachers? A few more thoughts about that: val·ue ˈvalyo͞o noun 1. the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something. I work in the construction industry, and can pretty much guarantee you that an average laborer makes a minimum of $15/hr. Working a full 40hr week, that equates to $30,000 a year. Do we really only value our teachers as much as we value ditch diggers? Do we really only equate the people who teach our kids basic life skills like reading, writing and arithmetic to the people who are pushing a broom or digging a ditch on a construction site? Supply and demand is the core of capitalism. Do we really want our education to be based in a system that is infamous for showing lack of interest for the end user, and a system that disregards equality of outcome and equality of opportunity? What if the public universities were required to offer free tuition to public school teachers getting their requisite masters degrees? Why do you denigrate the laborers and somehow hold the teachers to some highest regard ? The responsibility for our children is not held through the teachers of the schools they attend, that is a parental responsibility. My Dad didn't graduate from high school because his father died when he was 15, so he had to go to work. He got his GED after enlisting in the Army and coming back from Vietnam. Then he went to work...he sat with my Mom at the kitchen table at night to learn how to read a tape measure...he built his own business, with his hands, during a time our country had interest rates at 19% and up....he laid a foundation for me and my sister to get our educations. After I got my Bachelor's, I went back to building houses.... It's frustrating that a comparison is made between people who will work hard with their hands and teachers who deserve more pay....honestly ? I'm not putting them down, they have a role, but it's not King and Queen of the public institutions. I probably value craft labor, and general labor for that matter, much higher than I do any teacher, at any level. Because a person who is willing to get in a ditch, in all kinds of weather, and subject themselves to dangerous situations, and break their bodies is someone willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of their own well being. Teachers go to school, then go to school some more, then teach at a school....generally little life experience to pass on to students, other than being in school. I'll take a ditch digger on my team any day and twice on Sundays over a teacher...nothing against them, I have many that are friends, but it's not an earth shattering profession that somehow cries out to be held in such esteem that we should put down one group of people in favor of another.
February 10, 20179 yr Author These clowns should've been arrested. Protestors Block Sec. DeVos from Entering School I agree and denounce this behavior. I would like to see Mrs. DeVos visit a school in a red state soon.
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