The bigger issue is the disappearance of what used to be middle-income jobs due to moving manufacturing to foreign countries, plus loss of jobs due to automation, robotics, illegal hiring practices and the Internet.

 

Id argue that by increasing minimum wage you are are forcing those jobs out of those industries, whats the incentive to keep them here or not automate, if you continue to increase the price of labor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/michelle-obama-white-house-slavery.html

Correct so now those people are forced into the service economy which doesn't pay as well.

 

Disagree, service industry pays great, HVAC, Vehicle repair, lawn/landscaping, Computer techs, Cable/TV techs, amount others.

Id argue that by increasing minimum wage you are are forcing those jobs out of those industries, whats the incentive to keep them here or not automate, if you continue to increase the price of labor.

I think automation happens regardless of the wage scale. If I can buy a machine that welds fenders onto trucks -- and eliminate X number of assembly line jobs -- it really doesn't matter whether the displaced workers make $20 an hour or $35 an hour.

 

When I was a kid, a person with a high school education could get a decent manufacturing job and maybe even support a family of four. Those days are over and I certainly do not believe Trump has a valid plan to bring those jobs back to the U.S.

I think automation happens regardless of the wage scale. If I can buy a machine that welds fenders onto trucks -- and eliminate X number of assembly line jobs -- it really doesn't matter whether the displaced workers make $20 an hour or $35 an hour.

 

When I was a kid, a person with a high school education could get a decent manufacturing job and maybe even support a family of four. Those days are over and I certainly do not believe Trump has a valid plan to bring those jobs back to the U.S.

 

I'd say the majority of the 8,000 people who work for Toyota in Georgetown make a pretty decent living. All the jobs are not gone.

I'd say the majority of the 8,000 people who work for Toyota in Georgetown make a pretty decent living. All the jobs are not gone.

U.S. has shed 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000. Thank goodness for employers such as Toyota in G'town.

I thought Booker's speech was good. I liked that it was positive/optimistic.

 

It appears I'm not alone in disliking Warren's speech. I thought it was a waste. Why have her speak if it was just going to be that?

 

I found a few of her statements comical... "We are going to break up banks that are too big to fail" "We are going to take big business's money out of political pockets" Somehow I don't see Hillary throwing away the connections that have gotten her this far.

I think automation happens regardless of the wage scale. If I can buy a machine that welds fenders onto trucks -- and eliminate X number of assembly line jobs -- it really doesn't matter whether the displaced workers make $20 an hour or $35 an hour.

 

When I was a kid, a person with a high school education could get a decent manufacturing job and maybe even support a family of four. Those days are over and I certainly do not believe Trump has a valid plan to bring those jobs back to the U.S.

 

Interesting take here and I wont disagree. Question though is that on the industries for bettering how they operate, or the workforce for not keeping up to meet the new demands?

The $15 minimum wage will not happen, but if it does, it will be bad for jobs. What about all the jobs now paying say from $12-18 per hour. These people will expect a serious bump in pay as well.

 

They might expect it, but that doesn't mean that they're going to get it.

True. Of course everyone is supposed to get a quality education, graduate high school, go to college, graduate from college, get married and get the nice 4 bedroom house in the real pretty neighborhood but that funny thing called "life" doesn't always work for everyone the same way.

 

Agree, and I'll assume your parents, as well as mine, raised us with good values and principles to get us to where we are.........it's not our fault others didn't get the same from their parents or simply ignored them.

Agree, and I'll assume your parents, as well as mine, raised us with good values and principles to get us to where we are.........it's not our fault others didn't get the same from their parents or simply ignored them.

 

Life happens...

They might expect it, but that doesn't mean that they're going to get it.

 

Sometimes I wonder if I'm one of the rare people who actualy studied economics.

Life happens...

 

Exactly and society owes you nothing. I'm all for short term assistance but artificial changing of the market is never good for the long term health of the economy. Any solution such as a raise in the mininmum wage artificialy is kicking the can down the road.

 

We have already defined the real problem and that is manufacturing jobs , people on both sides have stated it in this very thread. The minimum wage does nothing for the long term healthy of economy.

 

You can't really make any educated economic reasoning behind it except maybe a very small raise. The only true reason is a false sense of compassion without realizing your hurting people more.

 

Whether I agree with Trump or not on how he is going to get manufacturing jobs back , he has made it a central theme of his campaign. It's speaking to the working class.

 

I can point to a lot of flaws in his economic ideas but the bottom line it is resonating with the working class. Hillary doesn't have the ability to do that and barley talks about how she will bring jobs back.

 

It's the same thing for 8 years , Republicans are sexist , racist , xenophobes, this country is ran by white supremacy. Also here is a bunch of free stuff we can't pay for.

 

It's old and tired.

 

If everyone here agrees the manufacturing jobs leaving is the biggest issue for jobs quit talking about the minimum wage and let's talk about solutions for the real problem.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm one of the rare people who actualy studied economics.

 

I learned this specific lesson many years ago. Mom worked as a part-time receptionist at a day care center. She made something over minimum; not very much. When minimum increased to over what she was making, she asked for a relative pay increase. Didn't get it.

 

Then in the course of many years as the CFO of the local community mental health center, federal minimum wage increased often, maybe half a dozen times.

 

We never laid off a single employee.

Matt Jones went to the RNC and is now at the DNC.

 

He was comparing the "bad 5%" of the "Dump Trump" folks and the "bad 5%" of the Bernie supporters.

 

No contest, he said. Bernie bad 5% were much worse than the others.