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Football at the Next Level - Curious Questions

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Campbellsville University $15,258

Centre College $45,120

Eastern Kentucky University $3,126

Georgetown College $32,351

Kentucky Christian University $20,320

Kentucky State University $8,245

Kentucky Wesleyan College $24,272

Lindsey Wilson College $22,128

Morehead State University $10,391

Murray State University $3,384

Thomas More College $34,885

Union College $19,955

University of Pikeville $20,598

University of the Cumberlands $21,856

 

If you take the data from the link above and do the math. These are the average amounts left the family will be responsible for. I did not include the FBS schools. They only offer full rides.

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Campbellsville University $15,258

Centre College $45,120

Eastern Kentucky University $3,126

Georgetown College $32,351

Kentucky Christian University $20,320

Kentucky State University $8,245

Kentucky Wesleyan College $24,272

Lindsey Wilson College $22,128

Morehead State University $10,391

Murray State University $3,384

Thomas More College $34,885

Union College $19,955

University of Pikeville $20,598

University of the Cumberlands $21,856

 

If you take the data from the link above and do the math. These are the average amounts left the family will be responsible for. I did not include the FBS schools. They only offer full rides.

 

I think these numbers may be a few years old. Some include room and board and others do not. I've always looked at it to the point where the private schools get the tuition down to about what it would cost a kid to go to UK and not play. The dream of playing football becomes the job of playing football. The kid can't work while he is on the team (notice I didn't say playing on the team?). Kids realize the time and effort along with the growing debt may not be worth it. TMC starts every season with about 140-150 kids. Many D3 basketball teams have JV squads to give playing time and develop kids as the other varsity players start to leave the school.

I think @Ashland hit the nail on the head with all of his points.

Don't forget that many go and end up medically DQ'd as well. Football is a bruising sport and it's difficult to make it four or five more years past HS when the talent is bigger, stronger and faster.

It all comes down to how bad they want you. There are kids playing NAIA and D3 that are getting virtually their entire education paid for and there are kids playing those levels that are getting next to nothing.

 

My son will be a senior this year and has all kind of contact from mainly D2 and below schools. We have made the decision that if playing football drastically lowers the cost of college below that of attending EKU or WKU as a normal student, we will consider the opportunity, if not he will not play football in college.

its college... the next level they see the glamour of playing college football but don't realize the work that's required. and they just wash out you can list it from home sick, new found freedom, competition level, girls, drugs and or alcohol. they just relise that they don't want to play or go to school anymore. "it ain't for everyone"

its college... the next level they see the glamour of playing college football but don't realize the work that's required. and they just wash out you can list it from home sick, new found freedom, competition level, girls, drugs and or alcohol. they just relise that they don't want to play or go to school anymore. "it ain't for everyone"

 

The original points made in this thread are all very accurate and more in the vain of this quote, I would add that often times the student athlete finds:

a) it is a much bigger commitment than they are used to and/or willing to make

b) HS was fun and they played with their friends

c) their HS experience involved winning, team, success ; college, not as much

d) their friends are having fun at large universities and they want that experience

e) bottom line....the fire to play diminishes

I would venture to say that 95% of people have no idea how hard it is to play at the next level. They just don't know what they are getting into when they sign up. It is one of the toughest grinds one will ever experience. Can't have one foot in the water. Better be all in or you will be out very soon.

I did a breakdown of Centre's football team. This was from the 2015 roster and was, I'm fairly certain, at the beginning of the year.

 

Centre is DIII and does not offer athletic scholarships. The admission office does not give extra weight to an All-State QB. That student has to meet the academic requirements regardless of passing stats. There is plenty of financial aid available however.

 

Centre started 2015 with 115 listed on the roster.

 

39 Freshmen

25 Sophomores

27 Juniors

24 Seniors

 

Something I found interesting. Of the 39 Freshmen 19 went to private HS. Of the 24 Seniors only 5 went to private HS.

 

I didn't look at the Soph/Jr classes WRT private/public. Wasted enough time already.

 

St. X sends a LOT of kids to Centre.

I would venture to say that 95% of people have no idea how hard it is to play at the next level. They just don't know what they are getting into when they sign up. It is one of the toughest grinds one will ever experience. Can't have one foot in the water. Better be all in or you will be out very soon.

 

This is very true. Even at the small college level. The guys that get on the field are well above what is seen in high school.

I was talking to a coach from John Carroll in Ohio, he said if they get at least 30 freshmen on the team, the school gives each coach a bonus and he said that's becoming the norm at a lot of D3 schools

I did a breakdown of Centre's football team. This was from the 2015 roster and was, I'm fairly certain, at the beginning of the year.

 

Centre is DIII and does not offer athletic scholarships. The admission office does not give extra weight to an All-State QB. That student has to meet the academic requirements regardless of passing stats. There is plenty of financial aid available however.

 

Centre started 2015 with 115 listed on the roster.

 

39 Freshmen

25 Sophomores

27 Juniors

24 Seniors

 

Something I found interesting. Of the 39 Freshmen 19 went to private HS. Of the 24 Seniors only 5 went to private HS.

 

I didn't look at the Soph/Jr classes WRT private/public. Wasted enough time already.

 

St. X sends a LOT of kids to Centre.

 

You are going to have to connect the dots for me - what meaning does the private/public breakdown have to you?

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You are going to have to connect the dots for me - what meaning does the private/public breakdown have to you?

 

I'm going to take a shot and say that could mean that the parents who send their son to a private school can probably handle the tuition expense of a small college, which will help their son stay and play.

I'm going to take a shot and say that could mean that the parents who send their son to a private school can probably handle the tuition expense of a small college, which will help their son stay and play.

 

Want to read what @macdon wrote again?

"Of the 39 Freshmen 19 went to private HS. Of the 24 Seniors only 5 went to private HS.'

 

Sounds like he was pointing out the private kids don't stay all 4 years?

Want to read what @macdon wrote again?

"Of the 39 Freshmen 19 went to private HS. Of the 24 Seniors only 5 went to private HS.'

 

Sounds like he was pointing out the private kids don't stay all 4 years?

 

No, not pointing that out at all. Kids that matriculate at Centre graduate from Centre.

 

In looking at the 2015 roster a couple of things seemed to be obvious. 1. Lots of freshman, 34%. That is probably not at all unusual. 2. Fewer and fewer private HS graduates going from freshmen to seniors. I would not think that the norm. See no reason for it.

 

The only possible reason I can come up with is a lot of the freshmen Private School kids were on the HS team. X and T have huge rosters filled with kids that get little playing time. They go out for football expecting the Centre roster to not be as talented as their HS roster. When they find out things are different at the "next level" they move on to something else. Like the crushing academic demands of a school like Centre.

No, not pointing that out at all. Kids that matriculate at Centre graduate from Centre.

 

In looking at the 2015 roster a couple of things seemed to be obvious. 1. Lots of freshman, 34%. That is probably not at all unusual. 2. Fewer and fewer private HS graduates going from freshmen to seniors. I would not think that the norm. See no reason for it.

 

The only possible reason I can come up with is a lot of the freshmen Private School kids were on the HS team. X and T have huge rosters filled with kids that get little playing time. They go out for football expecting the Centre roster to not be as talented as their HS roster. When they find out things are different at the "next level" they move on to something else. Like the crushing academic demands of a school like Centre.

 

I don't think anyone attempting to play at the next level expects it to be easy, or expects the roster to be not as talented as your high school roster. What I do think happens, is players (and parents) think they are more talented than they actually are, and underestimate the amount of time and effort that is involved in playing college sports.

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