I see the good in it but at the end of the day it is just one more government official (CCH operates in the KHSAA which makes them in part a government entity) telling one more subordinate what they can and what they can't do in a Free Country.

 

It is a slippery slope.

 

Don't tell the bishop that his schools are a government entity. You'll give the guy a heart attack.

B/c it isn't an order coming from the Administration, I believe. It is a team code of conduct thing.

 

That's right, I forgot, the Diocese buries its head in the sand when it comes to athletics.

Don't tell the bishop that his schools are a government entity. You'll give the guy a heart attack.

 

Then Private schools need their own separate post season tournaments. As long as they are playing with the Government schools under control of the KHSAA they are part of a government entity.

So what do you do to the player that gets on Twitter and dogs the officials and the entire coaching staff? Just let it go?

 

You handle it. However, if a coach has a player on the team who would do something like that then that is on the coach for having that kid on the team. Why would any coach want an uncontrollable kid on his team?

 

I can't control my kids so all of you are banned from Twitter during the season. When the season is over, do what you want. Not on my watch then.

 

What if the kid is the kind of grudge holder who unloads on every official he didn't like after the season? Or goes off on the coaching staff as soon as the season is over. What happens then?

I would imagine that the banter exchanged between players probably promotes something outside of the coach's discipline or philosophy which out of respect for the coach, the player should oblige.....

 

I agree and that is why I said I understand the Coach/School asking the players not to do.

You mean Government Program.

 

Or are you saying it is okay for private schools to limit free speech (even though those private schools voluntarily participate in the KHSAA which is a government organization) because they are private schools but the rules would or should be different for public schools because they are 100% government schools?

 

Public schools are run by public school boards and funded by public taxpayers. Private schools are run by whoever owns the school.

 

Public schools must abide by the Constitution, all federal laws, and the state laws in which they reside.

Private schools must abide by some federal laws (Title IX, ADA, etc...), and few state laws if they receive public funding (such as ACR, vouchers, etc...), which Kentucky does NOT. Private schools have no obligation to follow the Constitution.

 

Free speech is not so free as you are assuming. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You cannot say anything you want with no consequences. This is the case in a public school and a private school. In a public school, you can say things like "abortion rocks!" - not in a private, Catholic school, for instance. In a public school, you can say "you suck teacher, I hate you." But there will be consequences.

 

Limiting Twitter activity is not prohibiting the speech. The coach is just saying there are consequences. Free speech is only seen as being prohibited when you have a "captive audience." A basketball team is not a captive audience because they can always quit the team.

 

And KHSAA has nothing to do with this. They are below all state and federal laws. They can be overruled by these entities and they have very few carrots on the end of the stick. So a school joining KHSAA means nothing about their relationship with the government. I don't even know where you're getting this, so please elaborate.

 

I deal in free speech all the time and have argued cases on pretty high levels. Limiting Twitter has nothing to do with free speech. It is a slippery slope in that coaches may not know where to draw the line. You can't go on Twitter, but what about Facebook? What about some social media thing not mentioned or invented yet? What about...? See what I mean...? Slippery slope.

What would be done if the player said it during the game or during practice?

 

 

From CovCath's website. All student athletes have to sign a form saying they agree with the Code of Conduct regarding.

V. ATHLETIC CODES OF CONDUCT

A. Conduct of Athletes

A firm and fair policy of enforcement is necessary to uphold the regulations and

standards of the athletic department. The community, school administrators and

the coaching staff feel strongly that high standards of conduct and citizenship are

essential in maintaining a sound program of athletics. The welfare of the student

is our major consideration and transcends any other consideration.

6

All athletes shall abide by a code of ethics which will earn them the honor and

respect that participation and competition in the interscholastic program affords.

Any conduct that results in dishonor to the athlete, the team or the school will not

be tolerated. Acts of unacceptable conduct, such as, but not limited to theft,

vandalism, disrespect, immorality or violations of law, tarnish the reputation of

everyone associated with the athletic programs and will result in disciplinary

action. Penalty for this type of conduct will be determined by the head coach and

the athletic director.

 

I would think this covers the bases as far as what you say on Twitter.

From CovCath's website. All student athletes have to sign a form saying they agree with the Code of Conduct regarding.

V. ATHLETIC CODES OF CONDUCT

A. Conduct of Athletes

A firm and fair policy of enforcement is necessary to uphold the regulations and

standards of the athletic department. The community, school administrators and

the coaching staff feel strongly that high standards of conduct and citizenship are

essential in maintaining a sound program of athletics. The welfare of the student

is our major consideration and transcends any other consideration.

6

All athletes shall abide by a code of ethics which will earn them the honor and

respect that participation and competition in the interscholastic program affords.

Any conduct that results in dishonor to the athlete, the team or the school will not

be tolerated. Acts of unacceptable conduct, such as, but not limited to theft,

vandalism, disrespect, immorality or violations of law, tarnish the reputation of

everyone associated with the athletic programs and will result in disciplinary

action. Penalty for this type of conduct will be determined by the head coach and

the athletic director.

 

I would think this covers the bases as far as what you say on Twitter.

 

So if they sign it and agree to abide by it why ban them during the season?

Public schools are run by public school boards and funded by public taxpayers. Private schools are run by whoever owns the school.

 

Public schools must abide by the Constitution, all federal laws, and the state laws in which they reside.

Private schools must abide by some federal laws (Title IX, ADA, etc...), and few state laws if they receive public funding (such as ACR, vouchers, etc...), which Kentucky does NOT. Private schools have no obligation to follow the Constitution.

 

Free speech is not so free as you are assuming. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You cannot say anything you want with no consequences. This is the case in a public school and a private school. In a public school, you can say things like "abortion rocks!" - not in a private, Catholic school, for instance. In a public school, you can say "you suck teacher, I hate you." But there will be consequences.

 

Limiting Twitter activity is not prohibiting the speech. The coach is just saying there are consequences. Free speech is only seen as being prohibited when you have a "captive audience." A basketball team is not a captive audience because they can always quit the team.

 

And KHSAA has nothing to do with this. They are below all state and federal laws. They can be overruled by these entities and they have very few carrots on the end of the stick. So a school joining KHSAA means nothing about their relationship with the government. I don't even know where you're getting this, so please elaborate.

 

I deal in free speech all the time and have argued cases on pretty high levels. Limiting Twitter has nothing to do with free speech. It is a slippery slope in that coaches may not know where to draw the line. You can't go on Twitter, but what about Facebook? What about some social media thing not mentioned or invented yet? What about...? See what I mean...? Slippery slope.

 

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

At least that is supposed to be based on ability vs. control.

 

I have seen many teams where some of the best players don't make it...ability is god given...attitude is a daily endeavor. If a kid can't sacrifice twitter for 4 months, then he probably won't have a very good TEAM attitude either.

 

You look across the board at Coaches at all levels and they have to have control of the team/program to be successful.

 

Being a part of the team is sacrificing for the greater good, not a group of kids who have the most ability.

You are correct they are not guaranteed but that's why there is a tryout and I'm pretty sure that the kid has earned the right to make the team.

 

But away from basketball and school and the coaches authority goes away period!!!

 

So if a kid gets a DUI during the season, he should not be punished by the coach?

I have seen many teams where some of the best players don't make it...ability is god given...attitude is a daily endeavor. If a kid can't sacrifice twitter for 4 months, then he probably won't have a very good TEAM attitude either.

 

You look across the board at Coaches at all levels and they have to have control of the team/program to be successful.

 

Being a part of the team is sacrificing for the greater good, not a group of kids who have the most ability.

 

So many coaches crack me up. They worry about what they can't control. Maybe instead of some coaches being half Gestapo and half Social Worker they should concentrate on coaching the team to the best of their ability and let the chips fall where they may.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

Are you on KHSAA's pay role? Because you're the only person I've met who speaks as though they wield such tremendous authority. I know they pay their people VERY well, but they have nothing to do with the government at all. They are not a government. They receive no governmental funds. They have no governmentally-elected officials. I truly don't know where you're coming from with your argument.

 

KHSAA has NOTHING to do with government. I'm in a neighborhood with a HOA. Does that mean I'm a government entity?

Then Private schools need their own separate post season tournaments. As long as they are playing with the Government schools under control of the KHSAA they are part of a government entity.

 

Part of me thinks you're joking here. Maybe having some fun toying with folks? Because this argument makes absolutely no sense. Would you like me to apply your logic in other ways so you can see this? I just want you to think about it before I do because it would make your argument sound very very silly. Let me know.

Are you on KHSAA's pay role? Because you're the only person I've met who speaks as though they wield such tremendous authority. I know they pay their people VERY well, but they have nothing to do with the government at all. They are not a government. They receive no governmental funds. They have no governmentally-elected officials. I truly don't know where you're coming from with your argument.

 

KHSAA has NOTHING to do with government. I'm in a neighborhood with a HOA. Does that mean I'm a government entity?

 

Have it your way. Who is in charge of the KHSAA? Where does their authority come from?

 

And don't start me on HOAs...