So the KHSAA's Creator is the Government, correct?

 

 

1978

The State Board of Education delegated the authority to the Kentucky High School Athletic Association for the management of the interscholastic athletic program of the secondary schools.

He should if it says the kids will be punished in the handbook or the school by-laws. If it's a public school, the school board gets to decide and/or interpret existing laws. And they CAN punish for DUI's.

 

Private schools can do whatever their handbook says, and I imagine every handbook in private schools has a clause about DUI's. So coaches would have to follow the rules. Administrators would have to follow the rules. Right?

 

Let's say the kid is 17 and considered a minor and gets a DUI. How will the coach know he or she gets one? From another kid? That's here say. They can't get the kids records because the kid is a minor. So what factual proof would they have to decide a punishment on?

Let's say the kid is 17 and considered a minor and gets a DUI. How will the coach know he or she gets one? From another kid? That's here say. They can't get the kids records because the kid is a minor. So what factual proof would they have to decide a punishment on?

 

It would have to be reported by the parents. If it's hearsay, the school can investigate and ask the student. But the school has limited ability to do much more. Police cannot report the record of a minor. But if other students saw the student-in-question arrested, their word could be used to hold the student accountable to the rules.

 

Many handbooks state that parents must report an incident. But some still do not. Limited jurisdiction by the schools in this regard. Over 18 is fair game.

No. See below...

 

The Kentucky High School Athletic Association was organized in April, 1917. Charter members were Frankfort Boys’ High of Louisville, Owensboro, Carrollton, Lexington, Carlisle, Anderson County, Monticello, Somerset, Ashland, Stanford, Paris, LaGrange, Morganfield, Danville, Clark County, Covington and Cynthiana.

 

The organization was around before the state government sub-contracted its services. It is clearly stated as a PRIVATE, non-profit. You cannot be private and governmental. Government is public - publicly funded, publicly voted on, publicly determined. That's how the law sees it. Trust me.

 

1978

The State Board of Education delegated the authority to the Kentucky High School Athletic Association for the management of the interscholastic athletic program of the secondary schools.

 

The KHSAA is the agency designated by the Government (the Kentucky Department of Education) to manage high school athletics in the Commonwealth.

It would have to be reported by the parents. If it's hearsay, the school can investigate and ask the student. But the school has limited ability to do much more. Police cannot report the record of a minor. But if other students saw the student-in-question arrested, their word could be used to hold the student accountable to the rules.

 

Many handbooks state that parents must report an incident. But some still do not. Limited jurisdiction by the schools in this regard. Over 18 is fair game.

 

Being arrested doesn't mean conviction and only convictions count so those kids statements that saw the kid arrested become irrelevant. And that means no coach or school official can hand out any punishment. End of the story.

Being arrested doesn't mean conviction and only convictions count so those kids statements that saw the kid arrested become irrelevant. And that means no coach or school official can hand out any punishment. End of the story.

 

It's not the end of the story because it happens all the time. Minors are sat because of minor possessions and DUI's. It happened this year with a number of schools.

 

If a student says "yeah, I drank," then they can be punished. If they say, "yeah, I was arrested," they can be punished before any conviction because they admitted to breaking the law, and the rules. So if the rule says they can be punished, they will. It happens. End of story.

The KHSAA is the agency designated by the Government (the Kentucky Department of Education) to manage high school athletics in the Commonwealth.

 

 

Now we're just going in circles. I laid out my argument. You laid out yours. The jury can decide who they believe.

1978

The State Board of Education delegated the authority to the Kentucky High School Athletic Association for the management of the interscholastic athletic program of the secondary schools.

 

You do realize that the KY BOE is a state agency right?

Now we're just going in circles. I laid out my argument. You laid out yours. The jury can decide who they believe.

 

Your circle has a dead end in it.

Now we're just going in circles. I laid out my argument. You laid out yours. The jury can decide who they believe.

 

You grants the KHSAA their authority: The Kentucky Board of Education

 

Who supervises the KHSAA: The Board of Control supervises KHSAA, establishes staff salaries, sets goals for the association and has the authority to set rules and review proposed changes to the KHSAA constitution and bylaws.

 

Who does the hiring for the Board of Control: The Kentucky Board of Education, through the Kentucky Department of Education

 

Who does program reviews of the KHSAA: The Legislative Research Commission

It's not the end of the story because it happens all the time. Minors are sat because of minor possessions and DUI's. It happened this year with a number of schools.

 

If a student says "yeah, I drank," then they can be punished. If they say, "yeah, I was arrested," they can be punished before any conviction because they admitted to breaking the law, and the rules. So if the rule says they can be punished, they will. It happens. End of story.

 

If you get HS kids to admit to drinking or being arrested then go for it. But I'm willing to bet that a kid is not going to voluntarily offer information to which it will be used to dole out punishment to them, plus if they are a minor and you are asking questions about items that happened off school grounds you better damn well make sure that the kid has representation such as a guardian, parent, etc while you ask those questions or you will be the one in trouble. Now that is truly the end of the story.

You do realize that the KY BOE is a state agency right?

 

Yes, I covered this in a previous post. Government agencies sub-contract services all the time and there is clear legal precedent stating that those sub-contractors in no way represent the agency. You can read the post in its entirety. This is my area of law, which I practice, for my job. But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...(smh)

You grants the KHSAA their authority: The Kentucky Board of Education

 

Who supervises the KHSAA: The Board of Control supervises KHSAA, establishes staff salaries, sets goals for the association and has the authority to set rules and review proposed changes to the KHSAA constitution and bylaws.

 

Who does the hiring for the Board of Control: The Kentucky Board of Education, through the Kentucky Department of Education

 

Who does program reviews of the KHSAA: The Legislative Research Commission

 

It's your board. You want to win, so you win. Feel better?

 

KHSAA is the government. Anyone who participates in KHSAA is the government. There ya go. Government all around.

 

This couldn't possibly be more complicated than that, right?

It's your board. You want to win, so you win. Feel better?

 

KHSAA is the government. Anyone who participates in KHSAA is the government. There ya go. Government all around.

 

This couldn't possibly be more complicated than that, right?

 

I just want the truth, and the truth is the KHSAA is authorized, supervised, and ultimately controlled by the Government.

If you get HS kids to admit to drinking or being arrested then go for it. But I'm willing to bet that a kid is not going to voluntarily offer information to which it will be used to dole out punishment to them, plus if they are a minor and you are asking questions about items that happened off school grounds you better damn well make sure that the kid has representation such as a guardian, parent, etc while you ask those questions or you will be the one in trouble. Now that is truly the end of the story.

 

Okay, you're right. Feel better?

 

Believe it or not, though, some parents work with schools and like punishments. Some parents would gladly tell the school what happened and gladly reinforce and accept the punishment that the student and parent agreed to in attending the school. I'm that parent. Not all parents are like this, but some are. I know of a kid whose dad made him sit more than the handbook-mandated rules because he drank. These people exist.

 

There are some that will sue any chance they can get and try to get their kids out of consequences. I know this.