Jim Schue Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I've been puzzled by the lingering animosity toward CP9 by Bengals fans. It just doesn't make sense in the big picture. By 2010, Palmer had had enough of Mike Brown's methods in operating the team (and he knew he probably couldn't win back the fans). He saw no real reason to believe that Brown would change his ways and do what was necessary to be a consistent winner. Instead, you'd get the yearly clown show, like Chad and TO on the same team. That had to be exasperating for Palmer, and I can't blame him. Brown probably wasn't going to change. But he did trade Palmer, and I think Palmer calling him out caused Brown to rethink how he does things, give up a little control in the draft room and get out of the way of his coaches. Brown was floored that, after calling Palmer's bluff on the retirement thing, Palmer called Brown's bluff back, not believing Brown would actually just let Palmer retire without getting anything in return just to prove a point. Bengals fans have reaped the benefits nicely from this standoff, as the team has gone from being one of the worst-run laughingstocks of the league to one of the best-run teams in the league in five years, on the cusp of a big breakthrough. If I'm a Bengals fan, I'm thanking Carson Palmer and cheering for him during this playoff run rather than rooting against him. In my opinion, his departure was the catalyst for change for the good within the Bengals organization.
75center Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I agree. Also you have to include the picks they took based on the Palmer trade.
Jim Schue Posted January 18, 2016 Author Posted January 18, 2016 I agree. Also you have to include the picks they took based on the Palmer trade. Kirkpatrick and Bernard. Not a bad haul.
nkypete Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I got nothing against CP. He did what he had to do for his future. I saw an interview with him and he seemed sincere and professional about it.
Clyde Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I got nothing against CP. He did what he had to do for his future. I saw an interview with him and he seemed sincere and professional about it. Agreed. I don't get why people would root against him.
75center Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I've always liked Palmer and hate how his Cinti career was defined by his injuries and fan treatment. I'd love for AZ to take it all but don't think it will happen.
theguru Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Very well put Jim. And I root big time for Carson but man I really like Cam, Luke, and the Panthers.
hoops_fan Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I agree. I put in another thread I was rooting for AZ because of him with the Bengals out.
NKY Bandit Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Torn on this one. Liked Carson while he was here for his play on the field and his perceived no nonsense leadership but I think he should have played out his deal that he signed (as Brown had said publicly) and then left. If he wanted out, he didn't have to sign that extension.
Jim Schue Posted January 18, 2016 Author Posted January 18, 2016 Torn on this one. Liked Carson while he was here for his play on the field and his perceived no nonsense leadership but I think he should have played out his deal that he signed (as Brown had said publicly) and then left. If he wanted out, he didn't have to sign that extension. My guess is promises were made to Palmer that Brown never followed through on, so Palmer called him on it.
ggclfan Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Torn on this one. Liked Carson while he was here for his play on the field and his perceived no nonsense leadership but I think he should have played out his deal that he signed (as Brown had said publicly) and then left. If he wanted out, he didn't have to sign that extension. I never blame a player for using leverage to get out of a contract with an owner. Owners do that to players ALL THE TIME. The NFL career is so short for most players, I don't blame them for getting what they can when they can. Palmer said he would rather retire than keep playing for a complete bum like Mike Brown. Brown could have let him stay retired but he wanted to get something in return (and I am sure others in the organization had to talk the stubborn old goat into that). Jim is right. It does seem like Mikey Boy is in the witness protection program since that Palmer trade and that is the best thing that has happened to the franchise since before Paul Brown passed away.
NKY Bandit Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 He made a commitment and didn't want to keep it. I would have supported Brown if he would have let him stay retired. Do you have examples of the Brown family not keeping their word to a player? They seem to go overboard (see Devon Still) with being loyal to their guys even when it isn't always popular (Burfict, Pac, Peko, etc). My take- Palmer wanted the $ and signed the deal figured he could force a trade to SoCal, most likely guaranteed by his agent, and Brown said no. That's integrity.
ggclfan Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 He made a commitment and didn't want to keep it. I would have supported Brown if he would have let him stay retired. Do you have examples of the Brown family not keeping their word to a player? They seem to go overboard (see Devon Still) with being loyal to their guys even when it isn't always popular (Burfict, Pac, Peko, etc). My take- Palmer wanted the $ and signed the deal figured he could force a trade to SoCal, most likely guaranteed by his agent, and Brown said no. That's integrity. First quote bolded...I totally agree. If Mike Brown wanted to let him stay retired, I would have no problem with that. I bet Mike Brown would have too if not for others in the front office saying "let's get something for him". It ended up working out for both sides. Second bolded...not so much just Mike Brown but ALL NFL owners. If a guy signs a long contract and they don't like it a few years in, they just tell the player we will cut you if you don't renegotiate. Some of the top players get a lot of guaranteed money now more than they used to but many don't. The owners have had their way with players for the history of the NFL. I just don't blame players for doing anything they can to get the best situation they can for themselves. I will also say that I have no problem with a player holding out for a better contract. I also have no problem with the owner letting him hold out if he feels that is best for his team.
NEERFAN Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 No animosity towards CP from me. 100% backing CP and Arians.
futurecoach Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I've been puzzled by the lingering animosity toward CP9 by Bengals fans. It just doesn't make sense in the big picture. By 2010, Palmer had had enough of Mike Brown's methods in operating the team (and he knew he probably couldn't win back the fans). He saw no real reason to believe that Brown would change his ways and do what was necessary to be a consistent winner. Instead, you'd get the yearly clown show, like Chad and TO on the same team. That had to be exasperating for Palmer, and I can't blame him. Brown probably wasn't going to change. But he did trade Palmer, and I think Palmer calling him out caused Brown to rethink how he does things, give up a little control in the draft room and get out of the way of his coaches. Brown was floored that, after calling Palmer's bluff on the retirement thing, Palmer called Brown's bluff back, not believing Brown would actually just let Palmer retire without getting anything in return just to prove a point. Bengals fans have reaped the benefits nicely from this standoff, as the team has gone from being one of the worst-run laughingstocks of the league to one of the best-run teams in the league in five years, on the cusp of a big breakthrough. If I'm a Bengals fan, I'm thanking Carson Palmer and cheering for him during this playoff run rather than rooting against him. In my opinion, his departure was the catalyst for change for the good within the Bengals organization. It is already very well known how I feel about Palmer on here. Which a couple of years ago I had to come on here and say I was wrong about him. However I feel like there may be a thread coming from me soon, because I believe it may be time for me to take that back and for others to admit they were wrong about him. As for the trade, I still believe the thing that made Palmer want to be gone was when Mike Brown decided to bring Marvin Lewis back. Palmer was very big on playing with the young receivers that he finished his last year with, but at that time I am sure he expected the Bengals to change Head Coaches like everyone expected. Once Mike Brown kept Marvin, that was the final straw. Which I think that is the reason why Palmer doesn't talk about the reason, because he would be also slamming Marvin publicly if he does that and he doesn't seem like the guy who wants to do something like that. So it has worked out very well for both parties. However I do think the Bengals would have won a playoff game with Palmer if he had stayed, but that is a whole other story. I also believe the Bengals still would have drafted Dalton in the 2nd round that year, but obviously Dalton wouldn't have started right away.
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