I like the reviewing visa process. Overall it was a speech with no strategy and I have no clue what his next step is.

 

The one thing I found weird about reviewing the visa process , which again is a good thing , was no mention of securing our borders.

Serious question? What are they looking for when I have a background check done anyway? Just to see if I had a felony? Because that seems like a pretty easy fix to add folks who are labeled by the FBI as no fly or those of that ilk. Surely they're already in the system as unable to by a weapon. If not, that's just retarded.

People on terror lists or no fly lists not being able to buy guns seems like common sense to me... Why isn't that already a restriction?

I wondered the same thing. I wouldn't even want to admit that. Seems like something like that would come up in a background check...

 

But these people were not on any type of no fly list were they? While it is a good point, it didn't have much relevance to last week's shooting.

Serious question? What are they looking for when I have a background check done anyway? Just to see if I had a felony? Because that seems like a pretty easy fix to add folks who are labeled by the FBI as no fly or those of that ilk. Surely they're already in the system as unable to by a weapon. If not, that's just retarded.

Exactly my point. I wouldn't have even said that.

Where I think Obama lost is with the timing. This has been festering for some time and he waited too long to deliver this speech.

The Department Of Homeland Security has been under much scrutiny recently. Many republicans voted no on this issue citing the fact that there are a significant number of Americans whose names should not be on this list. The terror watch list has apparently grown to nearly 700,000 names, including 72 people who work for the Department Of Homeland Security. I would provide a link, however most of the articles that I researched seemed to be politically biased! Interesting reading though!

Well I just hope that if Obama doesn't have luck with ISIL that the next POTUS can have better luck with ISIL. ISIL is the scourge of the earth right now and ISIL has Americans scared of their shadows right now. Not me though, I ain't scared of no ISIL. ISIL ain't crap to me. ISIL will meet their demise one day and I am going to laugh when that happens to ISIL.

 

 

Word up.

Well I just hope that if Obama doesn't have luck with ISIL that the next POTUS can have better luck with ISIL. ISIL is the scourge of the earth right now and ISIL has Americans scared of their shadows right now. Not me though, I ain't scared of no ISIL. ISIL ain't crap to me. ISIL will meet their demise one day and I am going to laugh when that happens to ISIL. Word up.

 

Word up , down, and all around. I'm not afraid of ISIL. The chances of me getting killed by ISIL are as slim as me having a Holy Ghost revival.... Hey wait . :sssh:

I finally got around to watching it.

 

I agree with him about not giving ISIS what they want. They have made it clear they want to break open a rift between Muslims and the West. We ought not to give that to them through xenophobia and nationalistic fervor. They would also have us fight them on the ground. Surely we could fight them, but we've been fighting them for a decade. The problem is governance. They aren't going to go away unless these countries can maintain some order for themselves.

 

I did not agree with him much about his policy solutions.

 

I'm not sure how effective the "no-fly list" for gun purchasers will be. I suppose it's something that ought to come up in a background check, but I'm not sure it's very reliable (I also think it might not survive a legal challenge). I think there are better ways of balancing gun rights with safety and security, but we'll never do it. I suppose this piecemeal approach is the best that can be hoped for.

 

He also asked Congress to authorize military engagement with ISIS. Congress ought to authorize it, but their inability to do so hasn't stopped Obama from engaging ISIS. He effectively said "I'm going to keep fighting ISIS, so Congress should give me the post-hoc authority to do it, and even if they don't I'm still going to do it." This is odd.

Well I just hope that if Obama doesn't have luck with ISIL that the next POTUS can have better luck with ISIL. ISIL is the scourge of the earth right now and ISIL has Americans scared of their shadows right now. Not me though, I ain't scared of no ISIL. ISIL ain't crap to me. ISIL will meet their demise one day and I am going to laugh when that happens to ISIL.

 

 

Word up.

 

What about ISIS? :sneaky:

What about ISIS? :sneaky:

 

:lol2:

 

I ain't scared of them either.

I finally got around to watching it.

 

I agree with him about not giving ISIS what they want. They have made it clear they want to break open a rift between Muslims and the West. We ought not to give that to them through xenophobia and nationalistic fervor. They would also have us fight them on the ground. Surely we could fight them, but we've been fighting them for a decade. The problem is governance. They aren't going to go away unless these countries can maintain some order for themselves.

 

I did not agree with him much about his policy solutions.

 

I'm not sure how effective the "no-fly list" for gun purchasers will be. I suppose it's something that ought to come up in a background check, but I'm not sure it's very reliable (I also think it might not survive a legal challenge). I think there are better ways of balancing gun rights with safety and security, but we'll never do it. I suppose this piecemeal approach is the best that can be hoped for.

 

He also asked Congress to authorize military engagement with ISIS. Congress ought to authorize it, but their inability to do so hasn't stopped Obama from engaging ISIS. He effectively said "I'm going to keep fighting ISIS, so Congress should give me the post-hoc authority to do it, and even if they don't I'm still going to do it." This is odd.

 

My guess is he's been after a declaration for months behind closed doors, and...well...business as usual in Washington.

My guess is he's been after a declaration for months behind closed doors, and...well...business as usual in Washington.

 

While I agree, Congress needs to declare war, Obama will do nothing different than he already is. Seems to be smoke and mirrors from him to give another slap at the Republicans.

My guess is he's been after a declaration for months behind closed doors, and...well...business as usual in Washington.

 

While I agree, Congress needs to declare war, Obama will do nothing different than he already is. Seems to be smoke and mirrors from him to give another slap at the Republicans.

 

Congress has not declared war since 1941. And since ISIS is not a nation state there nothing to declare war against.

 

There are enough in-effect acts passed by Congress to act without additonal authority.

 

Odd that US armed forces can be deployed against legitimate nation states without authority from Congress (Libya, Syria) but engaging terrorist organization, that has been done since 2001 needs a 'mother-may-I' from Congress.

 

Kabuki theater.