There seems to be a difference between a radicalized jihadi who has allegiance to a terrorist group that will go out and kill people in the name of his religion and the lone crazy who shoots anonymous people because he gets some sort of twisted satisfaction out of doing so--again because he is crazy.

 

These are two different types of perpetrators.

 

The radicalized jihadi has more in common with the nut-job white supremacist or the New Black Panther loyalist who commits violence than he does with the mentally ill perp we've seen at places like Newtown, Conn or Columbine. The jihadi or white supremicist or New Black Panther loyalist are involved in "group-think" in which they project perceived grievances against their group on a general population (that they are usually prejudiced against) and then take "revenge."

 

The lone mentally ill person has his own internal reasons for committing violence that are hard to track--though I think they probably have a modicum of logic once his twisted perspective is accepted as his reality. For instance, a paranoid personality thinks the military has implanted some surveillance device in his house or worse, in his brain, and so goes to a local military establishment and opens fire. It is both crazy and logical at the same time once you accept that he really believes his false perception is reality. I think this kind of person also stands out in hindsight. People knew he had mental issues but none were willing to believe he would go so far.

 

This is different than the person who is loyal to a group and is following a general plan to advance the group's goals. They are harder for their co-workers and neighbors to recognize even in hindsight because they were being deceptive to begin with. It's only when law enforcement does a thorough investigation that their true associations and intentions are known.

 

We will have to wait to see which of the two this couple represents, though it seems pretty certain to me that they are connected to a radical group. How much "crazy" was also involved is yet to be determined.

 

I'm just thinking out loud. It is only relevant to the conversation here as it seems we are comparing apples and oranges. There seem to be different types of mass shooters. Some are just motivated by an internal, deranged outlook due to mental illness. The other seems to be motivated primarily by their group's hatred and seek to further the group's goals.

 

I'd argue that anyone capable of this type of violent act is mentally ill.

They difference between the two is we don't know if his attacks were based on religion. There's no evidence of that.

 

We know that radicalized Islamic terrorists do kill in the name of religion.

 

And they get the distinction of being called radicalized. They're not normal every day Muslims just like he doesn't represent normal every day Christians.

See, here hb20 is still trying to argue for the distinction.

Unfortunately for most Americans, sitting in the comfort of their brick homes watching CNN, they do not feel the threat.

 

It's easy to say there is no threat when you are tucked safely in at night...

 

These people will stop at nothing to kill us, and really haven't stopped trying to kill off Christians since the time of Christ....why would they stop now ?

Non-Christian, American hating, terrorist...non-specific to any geographic alignment

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I am a Christian also. I think we should help everyone who needs help. I do not think we should help people who are trying to kill us. Some of you really need to read the Koran, I mean really read it and see what it says. Dont do a quick search, read it.

 

If any of the Muslims follow the Koran to a tee, this is the result. The rest ignore what it says or are to weak in that faith to follow it. #truth

 

Hmmm....

Very few, if any on here, have accused all Muslims of being Terrorist even though many keep claiming that all Muslims are being grouped together. Everyone realizes that Radical Extremist are the danger and the ones carrying out attack in Paris and around the world. Yes, MOST Muslims are peaceful and are great people...that doesn't mean some aren't. No more than it doesn't mean that even though most Christians are peaceful and great people...that some are not.

I guess there is at least a third: a person who is deranged and angry at someone he feels mistreated by (like a co-worker or boss) and seeks revenge.

See' date=' here hb20 is still trying to argue for the distinction.[/quote']

 

What did I say that isn't true?

 

If someone kills innocent unarmed people in the name of Jesus, they're a radical Christian terrorist.

 

They don't represent other Christians just like a radical Islamic terrorist do not represent other Muslims.

I'd argue that anyone capable of this type of violent act is mentally ill.

 

While I agree(I feel like I'm posting with kid gloves on), it's also easy to label someone as such. It's kind of been an easy out for years now, I know I've heard it and used it. When you don't understand how someone can do something so weird or messed up its because they were just sick in the head. I think that does happen but I also think some folks just get so turned around and lost or hurt that they just don't even realize what they're becoming until they're in the headlines.

I'd argue that anyone capable of this type of violent act is mentally ill.

 

twisted thought process, but not necessarily mentally ill. Someone who is raised to believe that suicide bombing is a way to honor their god will commit a violent act and think it was virtuous. This is twisted thinking, but not necessarily mental illness. It wasn't induced by mental illness. It was induced by a twisted worldview.

The neighbors wanted to alert authorities but "Political Correctness" scared them away. Many more Americans will be sacrificed I'm sure, due to us not wanting to hurt people's feelings.

 

Report suspicious activity and it is proven to be innocent and you'll be tagged as an intolerant, racist xenophobe.

I asked a Middle Easterner how someone could think it was right to strap on a bomb, go into a crowded market place and blow himself up intending to also kill women and children.

 

He responded, "In the same way that you find a nest of rattle snakes and kill the whole lot because you know that even the baby rattlers will grow up and be capable of killing you." They kill their enemy before their enemy kills them. That is the thinking.

 

That's not mental illness, but it is depraved.

Report suspicious activity and it is proven to be innocent and you'll be tagged as an intolerant, racist xenophobe.

 

By who?? The police?? If you announce your suspicions publicly to the world, then yes, you may get branded, especially if they turn out to have no basis...in which case, the branding may be a little deserved, because intolerance and xenophobia is likely how you arrived at those suspicions.

 

But if you go directly to the authorities, I don't think the cops are hanging any signs on your house or tattooing that on your forehead if your wrong. They may not be happy because you wasted their time, but you're not getting called out on it everyday.

twisted thought process, but not necessarily mentally ill. Someone who is raised to believe that suicide bombing is a way to honor their god will commit a violent act and think it was virtuous. This is twisted thinking, but not necessarily mental illness. It wasn't induced by mental illness. It was induced by a twisted worldview.

 

 

That is indeed pretty crazy, no doubt, but Christians do some pretty crazy things to please their beloved space nanny as well. Some believe that bombing abortion clinics will give you a special place beside the King of Kings in Glory. Whether its killing healthcare providers, handling deadly serpents, drinking poison, or drinking cyanide in hopes of hitching a ride aboard a spacecraft trailing comet Hale Bopp, Christians do some pretty crazy things as well to please their God. Let's just agree that it's all pretty insane. Can we?

By who?? The police?? If you announce your suspicions publicly to the world, then yes, you may get branded, especially if they turn out to have no basis...in which case, the branding may be a little deserved, because intolerance and xenophobia is likely how you arrived at those suspicions.

 

But if you go directly to the authorities, I don't think the cops are hanging any signs on your house or tattooing that on your forehead if your wrong. They may not be happy because you wasted their time, but you're not getting called out on it everyday.

 

So there are only two possible conclusions? You are either correct in your suspicions or if your suspicions prove to be incorrect you must be an intolerant, xenophobic racist.

 

I think you just proved All Tell's point. This is precisely why some people are afraid to voice their concerns.

 

Could it not be possible that a person is well-meaning, but mistaken?

That is indeed pretty crazy, no doubt, but Christians do some pretty crazy things to please their beloved space nanny as well. Some believe that bombing abortion clinics will give you a special place beside the King of Kings in Glory. Whether its killing healthcare providers, handling deadly serpents, drinking poison, or drinking cyanide in hopes of hitching a ride aboard a spacecraft trailing comet Hale Bopp, Christians do some pretty crazy things as well to please their God. Let's just agree that it's all pretty insane. Can we?

 

Ah yes, we can always count on you for an unbiased perspective, can't we?

By who?? The police?? If you announce your suspicions publicly to the world, then yes, you may get branded, especially if they turn out to have no basis...in which case, the branding may be a little deserved, because intolerance and xenophobia is likely how you arrived at those suspicions.

 

But if you go directly to the authorities, I don't think the cops are hanging any signs on your house or tattooing that on your forehead if your wrong. They may not be happy because you wasted their time, but you're not getting called out on it everyday.

 

Perhaps not by the cops. But when it gets out that a report was made, and it will get out, are you really going to tell me that the person that made the report won't be vilified?