October 29, 201510 yr And she would be the person facing assault charges and he probably wouldn't be filing unemployment right now. Which scenario is better? Which really accomplishes the real purpose? It's not his job to get punched in the face. I don't think he should have been fired.
October 29, 201510 yr Author Society is based on rules and laws. For there to be a productive society' date=' we must follow those rules and laws. The moment she refused to comply with the teacher, she became disruptive. No teacher worth their salt is going to ignore a student not complying with a directive.[/quote'] Who said ignore it? As long as the teacher is able to proceed then it's fine. Delayed justice. Everyone wins. Kids get taught. Kid gets punished. Other students see there are ramifications.
October 29, 201510 yr Author Exactly how are they going to know this Clyde? They will not witness any punishment. Quite the contrary' date=' IMO the students would think it was OK for them to take their phones out and ignore the teacher.[/quote'] Teacher says " I am not going to let you set the rules. The principal will deal with you after class. " Key is that the principal then has to punish the child. Problem avoided. Lesson learned by all students.
October 29, 201510 yr Does this change your minds? The assault on a student at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, SC caused a media firestorm within hours of videos posted by classmates went viral. In recent years, social media has the power to force the mainstream to pay attention to injustice. According to Shaun King of the New York Times, the 16-year-old victim recently lost her mother and is living at a foster home. Given this information, it begs the question of whether or not the system fails to be sensitive to the needs of students during hardship. It is possible to acknowledge the fact that she didn’t do what she was told, but also feel that perhaps the staff escalated a non-issue from a “quiet student who never bothers anyone in class,” as described by her classmate. Most teenage students have cell phones and sneak a look at them from time to time in class. It doesn’t make it right, but it shouldn’t be considered an offense that can result in criminal charges. As adults, we all understand the importance of teaching our children to respect their teachers and administrators. However, in this case, you have to wonder whether or not the teacher and administrator in the classroom deserved her respect! Not only did they stand by and watch her be assaulted, they told the Sheriff’s Department that they support the actions of the officer that assaulted her. From the two public interviews of her classmates thus far, the audio on the videos, and the facts given by Sheriff Lott, we can draw the following assumptions: Class started around 10:30 am The assault took place around 11:00 am The students were working on an assignment on their Chromebooks (laptops) The victim was caught with her phone out The victim put the phone away and then was apologetic The victim refused to turn her phone over to the teacher The teacher then asked her to leave the classroom and she refused The administrator also asked her to leave the classroom and she refused The victim was sitting quietly when Deputy Fields entered the classroom Deputy Fields asked her to get up and she refused Deputy Fields then said, “I was fair to you last year, wasn’t I?” The victim replied, “I don’t even know who you are.” At that point, the assault took place One video shows that the victim reached towards the officer at the moment that he had his hand around her neck to flip the chair over The victim suffered injuries on her face, neck and arm Knowing the victim recently lost her mother and with presumably 15-20 minutes of class time left, couldn’t the teacher just allow her to sit quietly until class was over and then refer her to the office for discipline, if necessary? Perhaps refer her to the school counselor to get to the bottom of her behavior and follow-up on her grief process? If a parent was caught on tape with the same assault, they would be accused of child abuse and lose custody. If a video surfaced of a pet being thrown across the room for peeing on a carpet, more compassion would be shown by the same naysayers who say that she deserved to be assaulted. To all who have voiced that opinion, shame on you! No woman EVER deserves to be treated that way. Although Deputy Fields has been fired, criminal charges still remain for the victim and Niya Kenny, the student that stood up for her. While the FBI investigates the case, no criminal charges have been brought against the officer. She just lost her mother has no family left and is now having to live in foster care. Maybe she was looking at a picture of her mother. The students say she wasn't being disruptive. Sounds like the escalation by the power tripping adults was the disruptive force. Some people lack better judgement. This child, yes child did not commit a crime, yet was manhandled by a cop, who by the way is nicknamed officer SLAM. That name was given to him long before this incident. I dont want anybody in direct contact with my kids who think this is ok.
October 29, 201510 yr It's not his job to get punched in the face. I don't think he should have been fired. And at what point did I say he should have been?
October 29, 201510 yr You don't get arrested for breaking rules or policy, only laws. What law did she break? She was not a criminal. The officer had no right to handle this that way or even should have been involved. Does he slam kids for being tardy withought a good excuse? Adults can't throw fits because it didn't go their way. This should have never came to violence. Would it have been ok for the teacher or principal to do that?
October 29, 201510 yr You don't get arrested for breaking rules or policy' date=' only laws. What law did she break? She was not a criminal. The officer had no right to handle this that way or even should have been involved. Does he slam kids for being tardy withought a good excuse? Adults can't throw fits because it didn't go their way. This should have never came to violence. Would it have been ok for the teacher or principal to do that?[/quote'] Teachers and principles don't have the authority to arrest people. Police do. I believe she was in violation of a misdemeanor offense in South Carolina by disturbing the school, and then refusing to leave. After that, she assaulted a police officer.
October 29, 201510 yr Teachers and principles don't have the authority to arrest people. Police do. I believe she was in violation of a misdemeanor offense in South Carolina by disturbing the school, and then refusing to leave. After that, she assaulted a police officer. You mean she was assaulted. Her phone might of been all she had left. She was forced to leave her home. If I had pictures of my mom ( speculation) and that's my last possesion, no you can't have it whether I broke a rule or not. No one should have the ultimate authority over you except God. Disrupting a class does not or should not land you in jail. How many kids are or can you lock up for that? The teacher was mad she said no. He didn't have the ultimate authority and he let it get escalated. Sometimes it's not a big deal. The child apologized and put the phone away. Should that lead to arrest? Edited October 29, 201510 yr by Fear the Nation
October 29, 201510 yr Does this change your minds? The assault on a student at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, SC caused a media firestorm within hours of videos posted by classmates went viral. In recent years, social media has the power to force the mainstream to pay attention to injustice. According to Shaun King of the New York Times, the 16-year-old victim recently lost her mother and is living at a foster home. Given this information, it begs the question of whether or not the system fails to be sensitive to the needs of students during hardship. It is possible to acknowledge the fact that she didn’t do what she was told, but also feel that perhaps the staff escalated a non-issue from a “quiet student who never bothers anyone in class,” as described by her classmate. Most teenage students have cell phones and sneak a look at them from time to time in class. It doesn’t make it right, but it shouldn’t be considered an offense that can result in criminal charges. As adults, we all understand the importance of teaching our children to respect their teachers and administrators. However, in this case, you have to wonder whether or not the teacher and administrator in the classroom deserved her respect! Not only did they stand by and watch her be assaulted, they told the Sheriff’s Department that they support the actions of the officer that assaulted her. From the two public interviews of her classmates thus far, the audio on the videos, and the facts given by Sheriff Lott, we can draw the following assumptions: Class started around 10:30 am The assault took place around 11:00 am The students were working on an assignment on their Chromebooks (laptops) The victim was caught with her phone out The victim put the phone away and then was apologetic The victim refused to turn her phone over to the teacher The teacher then asked her to leave the classroom and she refused The administrator also asked her to leave the classroom and she refused The victim was sitting quietly when Deputy Fields entered the classroom Deputy Fields asked her to get up and she refused Deputy Fields then said, “I was fair to you last year, wasn’t I?” The victim replied, “I don’t even know who you are.” At that point, the assault took place One video shows that the victim reached towards the officer at the moment that he had his hand around her neck to flip the chair over The victim suffered injuries on her face, neck and arm Knowing the victim recently lost her mother and with presumably 15-20 minutes of class time left, couldn’t the teacher just allow her to sit quietly until class was over and then refer her to the office for discipline, if necessary? Perhaps refer her to the school counselor to get to the bottom of her behavior and follow-up on her grief process? If a parent was caught on tape with the same assault, they would be accused of child abuse and lose custody. If a video surfaced of a pet being thrown across the room for peeing on a carpet, more compassion would be shown by the same naysayers who say that she deserved to be assaulted. To all who have voiced that opinion, shame on you! No woman EVER deserves to be treated that way. Although Deputy Fields has been fired, criminal charges still remain for the victim and Niya Kenny, the student that stood up for her. While the FBI investigates the case, no criminal charges have been brought against the officer. She just lost her mother has no family left and is now having to live in foster care. Maybe she was looking at a picture of her mother. The students say she wasn't being disruptive. Sounds like the escalation by the power tripping adults was the disruptive force. Some people lack better judgement. This child, yes child did not commit a crime, yet was manhandled by a cop, who by the way is nicknamed officer SLAM. That name was given to him long before this incident. I dont want anybody in direct contact with my kids who think this is ok. NO NO NO. It doesn't matter if she was a 16 year old girl whose mother just died and she was just placed in foster care. The world is a tough place. Maybe if her Mother had done a better job throwing her across floors before she died, her disrespectful daughter might not have created the chaos that she did. The only thing that matters is having respect for authority, and if a 16 year old girl doesn't have that all the time and under all circumstances, then we should definitely bring in a huge cop to throw her around. And then charge her with a crime, and any other students who speak up on her behalf. (Just wanted to see how it felt to argue the other side)
October 29, 201510 yr NO NO NO. It doesn't matter if she was a 16 year old girl whose mother just died and she was just placed in foster care. The world is a tough place. Maybe if her Mother had done a better job throwing her across floors before she died, her disrespectful daughter might not have created the chaos that she did. The only thing that matters is having respect for authority, and if a 16 year old girl doesn't have that all the time and under all circumstances, then we should definitely bring in a huge cop to throw her around. And then charge her with a crime, and any other students who speak up on her behalf. (Just wanted to see how it felt to argue the other side) I was mad at you till the end.. Lol
October 29, 201510 yr She was to be escorted out of the class at the end of it all. Escorted straight to the office and punished. After the kids are out of the room. BTW, I think your "quick on the trigger" insults (passive aggressive must be your middle name) are part of the problem the SRO displayed. If she wouldn't leave then what makes you think she would have left after? If you think asking that was an insult, you have never been insulted.
October 29, 201510 yr You mean she was assaulted. Her phone might of been all she had left. She was forced to leave her home. If I had pictures of my mom ( speculation) and that's my last possesion, no you can't have it whether I broke a rule or not. No one should have the ultimate authority over you except God. Disrupting a class does not or should not land you in jail. How many kids are or can you lock up for that? The teacher was mad she said no. He didn't have the ultimate authority and he let it get escalated. Sometimes it's not a big deal. The child apologized and put the phone away. Should that lead to arrest? So we shouldn't have to follow any rules or laws on earth because only God should have authority over us? She wasn't assaulted. She was arrested with force because she resisted and assaulted a police officer. You did see the punch she threw right? Or are you saying that punch isn't an assault? Her phone has nothing to do with the officer. He asked her nicely to leave with him. He told her to leave with him, or he would make her. Then he made her. I'm not sure what else he could have done.
October 29, 201510 yr So we shouldn't have to follow any rules or laws on earth because only God should have authority over us? She wasn't assaulted. She was arrested with force because she resisted and assaulted a police officer. You did see the punch she threw right? Or are you saying that punch isn't an assault? I saw her "punch". I'd bet big money Fields never even felt it or even knew she "threw a punch". :lol2: She was getting tossed whether she threw a punch or not.
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