Nope

 

His poor health and the exertion of fighting lead to his death. In my shape it would kill me too.

 

That and refusing to be arrested for the 32nd time

 

That's not a fair answer. If his wind/breathing was cut off briefly it would have an impact on his death. I am certainly no doctor but my assumption is it would stress the heart. The "why" is irrelevant.

 

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So nothing the officers did lead to his death? Is that what you're going with?

 

Because their actions contributed to his death doesn't mean they are guilty of anything criminal.

Because their actions contributed to his death doesn't mean they are guilty of anything criminal.

 

They used excessive force and he died because of it. That is criminal. Or at least should be.

Because their actions lead to his death doesn't mean they are guilty of anything criminal.

 

It could be a factor but it's not an automatic.

:lol2:

 

So nothing the officers did lead to his death? Is that what you're going with?

 

I never said that...I said that the cop grabbing him around the neck didn't kill him.

 

But to give you your point, if the police didn't try to arrest him he would have lived that day.

If he puts his hands out to be cuffed he lives that day, also.

 

Look he's a big guy, it doesn't take much to get us winded and out of breath. The resisting arrest and the officers taking him down were probably more than he could handle.

 

There was no damage to his throat according to Clyde's post, No one was laying on him constricting his breathing after he was cuffed, approximately the same time he's saying he can't breath.

 

He's got asthma, congestive heart failure and is way over weight...that in of it's self can kill you. He could have just as easily died if he ran up a flight of stairs.

 

They used excessive force and he died because of it. That is criminal. Or at least should be.

 

How would you arrest someone who is resisting?

They used excessive force and he died because of it. That is criminal. Or at least should be.

 

What exactly in the video was excessive?

How would you arrest someone who is resisting?

 

I damn sure wouldn't put someone in a choke hold from behind...

What exactly in the video was excessive?

 

Oh I don't know... The choke hold.

 

He said "I can't breathe" numerous times in the video, AFTER he was on the ground. Was he lying? Are you going to say he was having an asthma attack instead of putting any responsibility on the officers for him not being able to get his breath?

I damn sure wouldn't put someone in a choke hold from behind...

I haven't been keeping up with this this story. But was this a department accepted hold? As there are some holds that are off limits.

I haven't been keeping up with this this story. But was this a department accepted hold? As there are some holds that are off limits.

 

From the article in the OP...

 

"Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, was killed July 17 when Pantaleo subdued him on a Tompkinsville street with a banned chokehold."

Oh I don't know... The choke hold.

 

He said "I can't breathe" numerous times in the video, AFTER he was on the ground. Was he lying? Are you going to say he was having an asthma attack instead of putting any responsibility on the officers for him not being able to get his breath?

They had already left go of him when he said that, he couldn't breath because of his asthma...he was not being "Choked" when he said that.

I haven't been keeping up with this this story. But was this a department accepted hold? As there are some holds that are off limits.

 

That's irrelevant in a criminal case. Don't think it was supported by department policy but I can't confirm for you right now.

I haven't been keeping up with this this story. But was this a department accepted hold? As there are some holds that are off limits.

 

Choke Holds are against NYPD policy from I've seen.

Neck Restraint which doesn't choke are not.

They had already left go of him when he said that, he couldn't breath because of his asthma...he was not being "Choked" when he said that.

 

So your answer is no, it wasn't any fault of the police that he couldn't breath...