Does someone have to be a threat to be forcefully arrested?

 

What is the basis for "forcefully arresting" someone that isn't a threat to anyone?

 

What is the basis for "forcefully arresting" someone that isn't a threat to anyone?

 

If they are resisting arrest what would you suggest the police do to arrest someone?

 

Btw, I'm not saying the officer involved in this is guilty or innocent of excessive force, I don't know enough about the situation to really comment on that.

If they are resisting arrest what would you suggest the police do to arrest someone?

 

Btw, I'm not saying the officer involved in this is guilty or innocent of excessive force, I don't know enough about the situation to really comment on that.

 

Resisting arrest would include "harm" to the officers.

 

This gentleman wasn't resisting arrest. He definitely wasn't resisting after he was on the ground.

 

Resisting arrest would include "harm" to the officers.

 

This gentleman wasn't resisting arrest. He definitely wasn't resisting after he was on the ground.

 

No it wouldn't.

 

Assault on a police officer would include harming the officer.

 

You don't know what he was doing with his body on the ground unless you were there. People tense up and resist all the time I'm sure without harming the officer all while making it look like they aren't doing anything. I'm sure Rocket could verify.

We can all debate whether the officer even should have tried to arrest him. We just don't see enough of the video to know.

 

However, once the officer goes to cuff you any action after that is resisting arrest. You don't get to debate at that point.

 

It's sad that this happened over cigarettes.

We can all debate whether the officer even should have tried to arrest him. We just don't see enough of the video to know.

 

However, once the officer goes to cuff you any action after that is resisting arrest. You don't get to debate at that point.

 

It's sad that this happened over cigarettes.

 

Agreed

I read somewhere that the prosecutor is forbidden to release the info without permission from someone (a judge maybe?). He says he will release "limited" info if allowed.

No it wouldn't.

 

Assault on a police officer would include harming the officer.

 

You don't know what he was doing with his body on the ground unless you were there. People tense up and resist all the time I'm sure without harming the officer all while making it look like they aren't doing anything. I'm sure Rocket could verify.

 

Okay, so if resisting arrest isn't harming the officers, then this man DEFINITELY shouldn't have been handled the way he was. He absolutely didn't assault any officer.

Okay, so if resisting arrest isn't harming the officers, then this man DEFINITELY shouldn't have been handled the way he was. He absolutely didn't assault any officer.

 

 

Do we agree that once the officer says "give me your hands" that he should comply regardless of his feelings as to the veracity of the charge?

Do we agree that once the officer says "give me your hands" that he should comply regardless of his feelings as to the veracity of the charge?

 

Yes.

 

Okay, so if resisting arrest isn't harming the officers, then this man DEFINITELY shouldn't have been handled the way he was. He absolutely didn't assault any officer.

 

If the police tell you that you are under arrest and you don't do what they say, they legally have the authority to forcefully arrest you. Assault isn't the only thing that gives them that authority.

If the police tell you that you are under arrest and you don't do what they say, they legally have the authority to forcefully arrest you. Assault isn't the only thing that gives them that authority.

 

Fair enough. So when the man says "I can't breath" five or more times, with SEVERAL police officers on top of him, they are good to just keep choking him and/or pushing on his chest?

Fair enough. So when the man says "I can't breath" five or more times, with SEVERAL police officers on top of him, they are good to just keep choking him and/or pushing on his chest?

 

Now you're getting to the tricky part. The previous part to me is cut and dry. They failed to show compassion and awareness IMO. Then add in the EMTs who weren't prepared and you've got a big failure.

Yes.

 

Then I would ask how you think the officers should have proceeded when the guy wouldn't allow them to grab his arms and cuff him?

Then I would ask how you think the officers should have proceeded when the guy wouldn't allow them to grab his arms and cuff him?

 

My issue isn't with the initial contact. It's with the actions once he was on the ground. It was excessive, and he died as a result.