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In Defense of Obama

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If one is blind when they wish to be, sure, I guess... :D
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Anybody who follows politics closely knows where Paul Krugman stands. He is a liberal propagandist. There is no reason why rational human beings should care about what he has to say.

 

Take James Carville, strip away his Cajun charm, sense of humor, and all professional integrity and what remains is Paul Krugman.

Bingo!

I can't help but notice that from the first reply, we managed to impugn the source and not debate the issue (with the exception of post 5 and maybe post 4).

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I can't help but notice that from the first reply, we managed to impugn the source and not debate the issue (with the exception of post 5 and maybe post 4).

 

Nobody debates anymore. They just dismiss.

I did vote for the President twice. My main reasons were AHCA and what I perceived as a sincerity in bringing about transparancy. I am very pleased with the results of AHCA, while recognizing there are flaws that need to be reworked. I find my biggest disappointment in his tenure has been the transparency. But I also recognize that what I may feel is appropriate may not be. But it doesn't seem much progress had been made there. Of course, a lot of the other issues on his plate were more critical. Economically, I don't know how anyone can NOT feel we are better off now than in 2006. Envioronmentally, I believe in responsible stewardship of our resources and that required attention to the negative effects of our way of life and its conveniences. No issues with any of his policies there. Defense...well given the complexity and new way of war, I have no idea what the "approopriate" policy should be. I do believe we (the world) have been to slow to move from our traditional thinking of war, and it is costing us dearly.

 

As my overriding criteria are social issues, I am inclined to feel President Obama has been successful. I can recognize though that for those who place economics and defense as priorities his presidency has not been succesful.

I did vote for the President twice. My main reasons were AHCA and what I perceived as a sincerity in bringing about transparancy. I am very pleased with the results of AHCA, while recognizing there are flaws that need to be reworked. I find my biggest disappointment in his tenure has been the transparency. But I also recognize that what I may feel is appropriate may not be. But it doesn't seem much progress had been made there. Of course, a lot of the other issues on his plate were more critical. Economically, I don't know how anyone can NOT feel we are better off now than in 2006. Envioronmentally, I believe in responsible stewardship of our resources and that required attention to the negative effects of our way of life and its conveniences. No issues with any of his policies there. Defense...well given the complexity and new way of war, I have no idea what the "approopriate" policy should be. I do believe we (the world) have been to slow to move from our traditional thinking of war, and it is costing us dearly.

 

As my overriding criteria are social issues, I am inclined to feel President Obama has been successful. I can recognize though that for those who place economics and defense as priorities his presidency has not been succesful.

 

Pretty much my feelings as well RM. Social issues get my vote most often. I have seen no reason to support most Republicans on their issues with these. I do believe he has been indecisive with ISIS, even to this day. I don't think we're alone by any stretch of the imagination on a national scale in our support of him, however, we are a vast minority on here. Oh well, I will manage to trudge through the day without worrying about what our President is screwing up next.

 

I do understand that the economy is what the majority of Americans care about most. maybe rightly so, but in 8 years, we are better than we were when he began. But I am not an economist, and we know certain one's are always correct, especially those that agree with the way any of us think.

There are a myriad of problems with the ACA. Most glaring are the astronomical deductibles. While it may be political chest thumping to claim millions now have health insurance, is it really all that great if a family has a deductible $10,000? You might as well not have insurance. Also, in KY alone, over 80% of those new sign up are Medicaid. That is more money going out instead of coming in.

 

https://www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/2014-obamacare-deductible-out-of-pocket-costs

 

Wall St. may be doing well. How can it not be with $85 billion a month being pumped in? It is not equating to Main St. Prices on nearly everything continue to rise.

 

We have over 47 million people on SNAP. How is this a good thing?

 

I understand ideological differences. To not see the obvious, I just don't understand.

There are a myriad of problems with the ACA. Most glaring are the astronomical deductibles. While it may be political chest thumping to claim millions now have health insurance, is it really all that great if a family has a deductible $10,000? You might as well not have insurance. Also, in KY alone, over 80% of those new sign up are Medicaid. That is more money going out instead of coming in.

 

https://www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/2014-obamacare-deductible-out-of-pocket-costs

 

Wall St. may be doing well. How can it not be with $85 billion a month being pumped in? It is not equating to Main St. Prices on nearly everything continue to rise.

 

We have over 47 million people on SNAP. How is this a good thing?

 

I understand ideological differences. To not see the obvious, I just don't understand.

 

There are problems with ACA, but overall, it has helped more than it hurts. It took forever to find a plan that served all or most. Instead of concentrating on fixing the problems, it has become a political puppet to attack the President. On a personal level, it has been beneficial for my extended family, who are most Republicans, and were adamantly opposed to it. Now they are fans.

 

But then again almost every thing has become divisive.

If there is a defense for President Obama, and it played in the NFL, it would be called the Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

Jacksonville Jaguars on Pace for Worst Season in History

 

 

Jacksonville Jaguars on Pace to Have Worst Defensive Season in NFL History

"Yes, you read that headline right. As first pointed out by Chris Burke at SI.com, the Jacksonville Jaguars are on pace to have the worst defensive season in the history of the NFL. That comment is hidden in the middle of Burke’s recent post but bears some further analysis. Keep in mind, this is the worst four game start on defense in Jaguars history as well."

Pretty much my feelings as well RM. Social issues get my vote most often. I have seen no reason to support most Republicans on their issues with these. I do believe he has been indecisive with ISIS, even to this day. I don't think we're alone by any stretch of the imagination on a national scale in our support of him, however, we are a vast minority on here. Oh well, I will manage to trudge through the day without worrying about what our President is screwing up next.

 

I do understand that the economy is what the majority of Americans care about most. maybe rightly so, but in 8 years, we are better than we were when he began. But I am not an economist, and we know certain one's are always correct, especially those that agree with the way any of us think.

 

2014 - 8 years = 2006. Check the economic indexes for 2006. And ironically, our recession hit around the same time as our elections in 2008 although there were clearly signs before that. But I also fully believe that the media and others can cause a recession. A good read would be "A Random Walk Down Wall Street". I suggest seeking to understand the term "rational expectations". Definition: if people think the market will go up, it will; if people think the market will go down, it will.

 

Coincidence?

 

There are many social issues important to me as well. However, it is kind of like, I can't give to charities, the church, rescue animals if I don't have a job that provides me with the resources to do this. It is a really good job, but not really what I would have dreamed for myself. I look at the economy like that, it is our role as an economic superpower that gives us the role to think and act on other issues, not the other way around. And this is where I differ radically from the progressives. The progressives seem to ascribe to the Marxists coolaid "let the government control all resources so the common man can spend his time in higher pursuits". History has shown that this is a devil's pact. The government cannot effectively manage the resources, and the people become the pawns of the government. I do not wish this future on ourselves.

There are problems with ACA, but overall, it has helped more than it hurts. It took forever to find a plan that served all or most. Instead of concentrating on fixing the problems, it has become a political puppet to attack the President. On a personal level, it has been beneficial for my extended family, who are most Republicans, and were adamantly opposed to it. Now they are fans.

 

But then again almost every thing has become divisive.

 

I disagree wholeheartedly. It does not help a family to have a deductible of $10,000. To say it does is just not being genuine. If a family is getting an offset for the premium from the government, how in the world do you think they can afford that kind of deductible?

 

Do you see this as affordable?

I disagree wholeheartedly. It does not help a family to have a deductible of $10,000. To say it does is just not being genuine. If a family is getting an offset for the premium from the government, how in the world do you think they can afford that kind of deductible?

 

Do you see this as affordable?

 

Typical of the "Bronze Plan", I believe.

 

Is that what most families have? I honestly don't know.

I can't help but notice that from the first reply, we managed to impugn the source and not debate the issue (with the exception of post 5 and maybe post 4).
With good reason. :p
I disagree wholeheartedly. It does not help a family to have a deductible of $10,000. To say it does is just not being genuine. If a family is getting an offset for the premium from the government, how in the world do you think they can afford that kind of deductible?

 

Do you see this as affordable?

 

No one in my extended family has more than a $2500 deductible but me and mine is $3500. When you have a pre-existing condition of something major, even $10,000 isn't too bad.

No one in my extended family has more than a $2500 deductible but me and mine is $3500. When you have a pre-existing condition of something major, even $10,000 isn't too bad.

 

The $10,000 is for the Bronze Plan family deductible.

 

$10,000 not bad? I'll pass that on to the families that have to pay that deductible.

 

It amazes me that people can't see the forest for the trees.

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