So I guess that's an NCAA policy and not a school policy then.

 

I'd say the NCAA requires some sort of testing, they'd almost have to. But like I said, I don't believe these tests are at all random or frequent.

 

Drug testing at the college level is an absolute joke in how it's administered. They may call them random but they are the furthest thing from random. You have to be a Chane Behanan type that is careless to get caught.

Are cheerleaders drug tested like other athletes on scholarship?

 

Well, it may not necessarily be the same as most other athletes on scholarship, because Louisville doesn't offer any full rides for cheerleading. They only offer a handful of them, actually, and they are between $500 and $1000 per year. The vast majority of the cheerleading squads at U of L are just 'walk-ons', as it were. They all are selected via tryout at the beginning of each school year.

 

I would guess they are subject to drug testing, but I wouldn't guess that it is all too regular, and I would also assume it's much more of an in-season kind of thing. Depending on the outcome of this girl's postmortem toxicology report, though, we may see that change.

Months later, we see why I had such a crusade against drugs on or near campus.

 

Right.

Right.

 

You don't know me, or my position on drugs so don't pretend to. I'm not afraid to take a public stand on something, I don't care who I offend or hurt feelings. It's the people who sit around and do nothing but complain once it's an epidemic who are the problem.

You don't know me, or my position on drugs so don't pretend to. I'm not afraid to take a public stand on something, I don't care who I offend or hurt feelings. It's the people who sit around and do nothing but complain once it's an epidemic who are the problem.

 

Drugs are obviously rampant everywhere. It's a huge problem that's not going away no matter how much money is being spent to help control the problem. What is your suggestion?

You don't know me, or my position on drugs so don't pretend to. I'm not afraid to take a public stand on something, I don't care who I offend or hurt feelings. It's the people who sit around and do nothing but complain once it's an epidemic who are the problem.

 

Everyone on this site knows your position on drugs from the six page diatribe you laid down against marijuana after James Quick and Jason Hatcher got busted. If you'll go ten rounds with Deuce over a few ounces of grass, I think we can picture where you stand on hard drugs.

Everyone on this site knows your position on drugs from the six page diatribe you laid down against marijuana after James Quick and Jason Hatcher got busted. If you'll go ten rounds with Deuce over a few ounces of grass, I think we can picture where you stand on harder drugs.

 

Really it was against James Quick. He pretty much glossed over the fact that Hatcher was involved.

Everyone on this site knows your position on drugs from the six page diatribe you laid down against marijuana after James Quick and Jason Hatcher got busted. If you'll go ten rounds with Deuce over a few ounces of grass' date=' I think we can picture where you stand on harder drugs.[/quote']

 

You are correct sir, I am glad it's well known that I don't support drug abuse in any way, shape or form, athlete or not. It's unfortunate, that unless it affects someone's family personally that people take it so lightly.

Really it was against James Quick. He pretty much glossed over the fact that Hatcher was involved.

 

That is incorrect (once again) and said both should be gone but knew they didn't have enough to make anything stick on Hatcher. I am not gonna high jack the thread and you all shouldn't either. Another suspected and sad instance if so, of a girl who didn't have to die.

You don't know me, or my position on drugs so don't pretend to. I'm not afraid to take a public stand on something, I don't care who I offend or hurt feelings. It's the people who sit around and do nothing but complain once it's an epidemic who are the problem.

 

I know you and your agenda quite well, so no pretending needed. If you are going to claim that the fiasco in that other thread was driven by the drug aspect and not the aspect of what school James Quick attends, you did a remarkably terrible job showing that.

 

As for the people who sit around and do nothing, what do you do to combat the drug problem? You never answered LRCW's question.

I know you and your agenda quite well' date=' so no pretending needed. If you are going to claim that the fiasco in that other thread was driven by the drug aspect and not the aspect of what school James Quick attends, you did a remarkably terrible job showing that. As for the people who sit around and do nothing, what do you do to combat the drug problem? You never answered LRCW's question.[/quote']

 

From a career stand point my wife and I are involved. I coach football as well, so I'm able to be around kids help keep them in line.

 

It's not so much the people doing nothing because some people just don't care, it's the people who are ok with the problem and not treating the kids or punishing them.

 

You are one of the brightest people on this website, you would be an asset against the problem if you took a strong stance against it.

From a career stand point my wife and I are involved. I coach football as well, so I'm able to be around kids help keep them in line.

 

It's not so much the people doing nothing because some people just don't care, it's the people who are ok with the problem and not treating the kids or punishing them.

 

You are one of the brightest people on this website, you would be an asset against the problem if you took a strong stance against it.

 

It's not that I don't care... I care a great deal when people close to me choose to do drugs, I've never seen the need for it. I've never done drugs in my life and I've had just as much fun, if not more, than people who do them. My point has always been this: College kids are going to do drugs. You can't stop them, you will never be able to stop them, regardless of how many people and how much money you throw at it. When I have the opportunity to "coach" someone about the decisions they are making, I take those opportunities and say my piece. I hope I can at least make those individuals think about what they are doing, but I can't live their lives for them.

 

Same goes for college athletes. Do I WANT them to smoke weed? No. Do I think it's stupid to jeopardize their careers/lives to smoke weed and do drugs. Absolutely. I just don't get that bent out of shape about college kids smoking weed. There are far worse things going on around campus and in some of their lives that are bigger issues, IMO. This girl losing her life is a tragedy. As I stated in the other thread, weed vs. cocaine and other more harsh drugs is a completely different discussion.

...so about that cheerleader.

How horrible.

 

Knowing of some of the company she keeps...I'd be surprised if it wasn't an accidental OD. Tragic.

 

I will never understand why people who have it all and have a bright future ahead, risk everything for drugs.

It's not that I don't care... I care a great deal when people close to me choose to do drugs, I've never seen the need for it. I've never done drugs in my life and I've had just as much fun, if not more, than people who do them. My point has always been this: College kids are going to do drugs. You can't stop them, you will never be able to stop them, regardless of how many people and how much money you throw at it. When I have the opportunity to "coach" someone about the decisions they are making, I take those opportunities and say my piece. I hope I can at least make those individuals think about what they are doing, but I can't live their lives for them.

 

Same goes for college athletes. Do I WANT them to smoke weed? No. Do I think it's stupid to jeopardize their careers/lives to smoke weed and do drugs. Absolutely. I just don't get that bent out of shape about college kids smoking weed. There are far worse things going on around campus and in some of their lives that are bigger issues, IMO. This girl losing her life is a tragedy. As I stated in the other thread, weed vs. cocaine and other more harsh drugs is a completely different discussion.

Agree 100%. You can't stop people from using drugs. I'm sure Pitino tried on many occasions to try and get help for Behanan. I'm sure he used all of the resources he had to get him all the counseling and help he could. If this young cheerleader had a cocaine problem and her family knew about it I'm sure they did all they could to get her help. The only way a person is going to get off drugs is if they chose to, and even when they chose to try it's not that easy.