Can we get a liberal democrat apologist opinion here ? or for short a liberal d a opinion ? anyone ?

Here's the best advice I can offer: Sell Peabody Coal, buy UNG.

 

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If this administration wants to do something about excess carbon pollution then how about not flying himself and his family all around the globe on excess vacations. How about a "stay cation" in DC, maybe camp on the South Lawn, make some Smores….but wait, that would involve fossil fuel….

 

Is carbon - specifically CO2, the very gas the very gas we exhale and that plants use to survive a 'pollutant'?

 

As for how CO2 impacts the climate - the long time conventional wisdom is completely debunked. Every model that showed the relationship of CO2 and a warming Earth has failed. We now have more CO2 in the atmosphere than almost any model predicted - yet the Earth has been on a 15 year cooling trend that shows no signs of changing.

 

Even if CO2 were a factor in radical climate change what does restricting the US emissions do? Basically nothing. China is now the leader in CO2 emissions with over 150% more CO2 produced than the US. Other developing countries such as India and Brazil are now producing more CO2 every year. The US has actually reduced emissions the last few years - without constricting international treaties or extreme EPA rules.

 

On a per capita basis the US is not the leader in CO2 emissions. Its Australia. When CO2 emissions are normalized against GDP the US is well down on the list. The US is not even in the top-10 in this category.

 

As for natural gas still creates CO2 emissions - at less of rate than coal, but it is still a byproduct. So it is no panacea.

 

Data for above:

 

http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/news_docs/pbl-2013-trends-in-global-co2-emissions-2013-report-1148.pdf

While I'm no more keen on cost increases than anyone else, I'm going to have to disagree with you about the impact to the environment. I grew up 8 miles upriver/downwind of the KU Ghent plant. Back then, I regularly struggled with asthma and other breathing problems that were 10 times as extreme as what I suffer with now since I've moved away from my hometown.

 

I love my parents dearly but every time I go visit them, by the second or third day I'm struggling bad. So much so, I tend to cut my visits short because I can't breathe properly.

 

I was thinking more globally. China and India will continue burning coal and nothing the EPA does is going to stop them.

 

I'm sure that it will benefit some, while hurting others.

The announcement all but assured a victory for McConnell...

While I'm no more keen on cost increases than anyone else, I'm going to have to disagree with you about the impact to the environment. I grew up 8 miles upriver/downwind of the KU Ghent plant. Back then, I regularly struggled with asthma and other breathing problems that were 10 times as extreme as what I suffer with now since I've moved away from my hometown.

I love my parents dearly but every time I go visit them, by the second or third day I'm struggling bad. So much so, I tend to cut my visits short because I can't breathe properly.

 

I wouldn't necessarily put this on KU's Ghent plant. Ghent is a fully scrubbed facility and considered to be one of the most environmentally sound plants around.

 

Ghent, Ky does sit in the Ohio River Valley Basin and that location alone lends itself to more than it's share of breathing issues. The nature of the river valley collects all the allergens and concentrates them there. With a river plant the O2 contaminants tend to be well downwind of the actual generating station as the emissions are exhausted into the atmosphere and carried by prevailing winds much further downstream.

 

If you told me that your car, after 3 - 4 days developed a film on foggy mornings or misty days, I would agree with that. Acidic exhaust from the Flue Gas Desulphurization process will do that.

 

The fact that it clears up when you leave doesn't necessarily link your breathing issues to the plant exhaust issues.

The announcement all but assured a victory for McConnell...

 

Wouldn't say that but it's sure going to make things even more heated.

While I'm no more keen on cost increases than anyone else, I'm going to have to disagree with you about the impact to the environment. I grew up 8 miles upriver/downwind of the KU Ghent plant. Back then, I regularly struggled with asthma and other breathing problems that were 10 times as extreme as what I suffer with now since I've moved away from my hometown.

 

I love my parents dearly but every time I go visit them, by the second or third day I'm struggling bad. So much so, I tend to cut my visits short because I can't breathe properly.

I also have asthma and a few allergies but I am not allergic to CO2 and I have never heard of anybody else who is allergic to it either. Plants love the stuff.

Can we get a liberal democrat apologist opinion here ? or for short a liberal d a opinion ? anyone ?

 

Sure.

 

Go nuclear.

I read an article on The Week that said that 67% of people supported this. Absolutely go for this Obama!

Since the 60s we have heard tales of woe that would result if that day's proposed environment legislation passed.

 

Fortunately those claims never came to fruition. Why is this time different?

I also have asthma and a few allergies but I am not allergic to CO2 and I have never heard of anybody else who is allergic to it either. Plants love the stuff.

God, I hope you're not allergic to CO2 since our bodies use it to determine when to breath. Most think we breath due to a need of oxygen, but in reality, we breath due to a build up of CO2, not due to the need for oxygen.

 

However, in asthmatic patients, the reverse happens during an asthma attack, the body has too much oxygen and deprives itself of CO2 trying to breath faster. So, in reality, the asthmatic patient, during an attack, doesn't have enough CO2, not too much.

Since the 60s we have heard tales of woe that would result if that day's proposed environment legislation passed.

 

Fortunately those claims never came to fruition. Why is this time different?

 

If I understand you correctly, then we should go forward with these new proposals ? In this case, I believe, when you pair them with the most recent restrictions placed on coal generation they will completely cripple the process.

 

I think this time would be a cumulative effect on an already severely stressed industry.

God, I hope you're not allergic to CO2 since our bodies use it to determine when to breath. Most think we breath due to a need of oxygen, but in reality, we breath due to a build up of CO2, not due to the need for oxygen.

 

However, in asthmatic patients, the reverse happens during an asthma attack, the body has too much oxygen and deprives itself of CO2 trying to breath faster. So, in reality, the asthmatic patient, during an attack, doesn't have enough CO2, not too much.

 

I have never heard it described this way. Good information.

God, I hope you're not allergic to CO2 since our bodies use it to determine when to breath. Most think we breath due to a need of oxygen, but in reality, we breath due to a build up of CO2, not due to the need for oxygen.

 

However, in asthmatic patients, the reverse happens during an asthma attack, the body has too much oxygen and deprives itself of CO2 trying to breath faster. So, in reality, the asthmatic patient, during an attack, doesn't have enough CO2, not too much.

My comments were sarcasm. Nobody could survive on this planet if they were allergic to CO2, yet Obama has been using children with respiratory problems as props in an attempt to sell his war on coal. The implication is that reducing CO2 emissions is going to provide them with relief, which is an obvious lie but it is vintage Obama.

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I am not smart enough to make predictions.

 

Experts said the car industry would cease to exist in 1970 when new legislation was enacted.