I think you even mentioned your not comfortable with the police having guns, so I don't think any one is shocked by your feelings on this subject. :lol2:

 

I am not uncomfortable with them having guns. I just don't want to walk into an entertainment venue where they are stationed like a movie theater. Thank God for Red Box. .

Many more unarmed victims than irresponsible "Legal" owners

 

For me, it's not about the "numbers". Children are killed daily because adults do not responsibly own their guns. That's all I need.

This has seriously been one of the best discussions we have had on a thread. There really have been excellent points made on both sides of the argument. Things brought up that I had not thought about. It still comes down in a manner that will the litigation possibilities outweigh the possible horrible tragedy that any school could have. I have always thought and still do think that the issue really isn't the gun, but the mental health issues we continue to not put enough resources and discussion into. I believe there is little we can do if someone really wants to wreck carnage on any public place and most private places. I don't think educational staff carrying guns will stop that person and the risks of them carrying bring a risk I want my grandkids to face.

 

The fact remains to me that with all the liberties we have and they are many, there are inherent risks that come with that and this is one of them.

 

Agree, agree, agree!

I'm with you. It's just a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don't like the idea of anyone actually carrying a concealed weapon at any workplace. I just have the vision of a bad day going worse when someone snaps.

 

Im sorry 1 or even 2 week course does not garuntee someone will always do the right thing. Resource officers are there for a reason. Let them do their job. I know of a couple teachers I had I wouldn't want to have a gun during class lol.

 

To me, the biggest deterrent to this whole debate is why not just have a School Resource Officer who does this? It seems to have all of the benefits that having armed teachers would while minimizing some of the concerns that skeptics will point to.

Those are examples that rarely happen but dominate the media when they happen but almost daily a robbery, break in, car jacking, assault or worse is prevented by armed citizenry. Again, we need to way the risk of one happening over another.

 

 

Two wounded in theater shooting - San Antonio Express-News

 

Fact: There is a reason you don't hear about mass murders in Texas. I live in San Antonio. I've been to this theater.

 

The difference in Texas and lots of other places (if you are the perpetrator, you should count on fire being returned by one of your "targets").

 

God Bless Texas.

At what cost financially for the district?

 

At what cost? I'd say about the same cost as training and arming a dozen or so teachers in the school.

 

Every experienced resource officer (typically a retired law enforcement officer) is worth 10 armed teachers with some time at a gun range and some classes.

 

Install metal detectors. It's a one time cost that's defrayed over time.

 

Lots of options besides giving a well intentioned teacher a gun for goodness sake.

 

I am a gun rights person- but giving guns to teachers is a bad idea IMO. Let the teachers teach and let the law enforcement officers enforce the law.

At what cost? I'd say about the same cost as training and arming a dozen or so teachers in the school.

 

Every experienced resource officer (typically a retired law enforcement officer) is worth 10 armed teachers with some time at a gun range and some classes.

 

Install metal detectors. It's a one time cost that's defrayed over time.

 

Lots of options besides giving a well intentioned teacher a gun for goodness sake.

 

I am a gun rights person- but giving guns to teachers is a bad idea IMO. Let the teachers teach and let the law enforcement officers enforce the law.

 

Who uses retired officers as school resource officers? SRO's should be part of active Law Enforcement not just a security guard to sit at the front door reading the paper. All of the SRO's in our county are active officers that are on the streets when school is not in session.

At what cost? I'd say about the same cost as training and arming a dozen or so teachers in the school.

 

Every experienced resource officer (typically a retired law enforcement officer) is worth 10 armed teachers with some time at a gun range and some classes.

 

Install metal detectors. It's a one time cost that's defrayed over time.

 

Lots of options besides giving a well intentioned teacher a gun for goodness sake.

 

I am a gun rights person- but giving guns to teachers is a bad idea IMO. Let the teachers teach and let the law enforcement officers enforce the law.

What the hell does a metal detector do if you have a breach with a heavily armed shooter? The metal detector might prevent one of your students or staff from packing one in, but that's about it. Might pick up the occasional knife, but won't help with a Columbine situation.

And you act like the teachers get a few range hours and take an online course and boom, certified.

Frankly, I know several teachers that would be perfect if trained properly. I also know 2 resource officers who would battle Barney Fife with regards to being in control of a situation. So my generalization is about as reliable as yours.

 

The excuses why it won't work could be overcome, I have no doubt. Those who oppose, in my humble opinion, have more philosophical doubts than physical doubts if I'm reading here correctly.

 

In my head, I picture some of you are assuming that the pasty skinned farsighted 95lb 65 year old librarian is packing to protect her school. And perhaps she could, but that's not the picture I have in my head. I think many of you don't give those in the teaching profession enough credit. I have no doubt that some could be called upon to defend our kids in a crisis. As a matter of fact, as emotionally attached to the kids as many teachers get, I would argue that a teacher would be like a mother bear defending her cubs if need be. And that mother bear would have a significantly better chance to mitigate a situation if properly trained to protect.

 

But I doubt many agree.

I've enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on this topic.

My son informed me last night about a gun that can only be triggered if wearing a special watch. To him he was thinking about well if someone stole it they couldn't shoot anyone, unless they took my watch as well. I then brought up how helpful that would be for gun owners at home to stop accidental kids shooting someone and how helpful these types of guns would be for teachers to carry in the classroom.

Armatix iP1 smart gun only fires if user is wearing a special watch - SlashGear

 

And please don't take this the wrong way but even though our schools have resource officers on site it's not like they use their handguns on a daily basis. And even if they did, situations when happening in real life are different no matter what "role play" training is done to prepare. BUT anything is better than nothing.

 

I'm all for teachers carrying to not only protect the kids that they are teaching but to protect themselves as well. They have a right to feel safe and if they are properly trained and processes are in place I see no harm in it. And yes, we can sit here and talk the "What Ifs" all day.

 

If an armed teacher can save one life then to me its worth it. That is the goal, to save lives and It's a shame we have to even be discussing this issue due to the sick people in this world to begin with!

Very good discussion....Utah and a few other states currently allows it's teachers to carry concealed weapons. And they have for the last 12 years. There has not been one accidental shooting or incident in those 12 years. Most of the training they get are volunteered by certified instructors.

 

Here are some examples you may not have heard about: Pearl High School in Mississippi; Sullivan Central High School in Tennessee; Appalachian School of Law in Virginia; a middle school dance in Edinboro, Pa.; Players Bar and Grill in Nevada; a Shoney's restaurant in Alabama; Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City; New Life Church in Colorado; Clackamas Mall in Oregon (three days before Sandy Hook); Mayan Palace Theater in San Antonio (three days after Sandy Hook).

 

There's a reason that you never heard much about the places on the second list. The number of innocent people killed was much smaller — sometimes, none. In each of them, the "active shooter" or potential shooter was confronted by an armed defender who happened to be at the scene when the attack commenced; the bad guy wasn't able to just keep going about his deadly business, as at Sandy Hook.

 

For schools, Utah provides a model. In Utah, if a law-abiding adult passes a fingerprint-based check and a safety training class, then he or she is issued a permit to carry a concealed handgun throughout the state. Thus, teachers may carry at school. Several Texas school districts also encourage armed teachers. Anti-gun ideologues invent all sorts of fantasy scenarios about the harms that could be caused by armed teachers. But the Utah law has been in effect since 1995, and Texas' since 2008, with not a single problem.

 

The armed bystanders who stopped the massacres - Los Angeles Times

What the hell does a metal detector do if you have a breach with a heavily armed shooter? The metal detector might prevent one of your students or staff from packing one in, but that's about it. Might pick up the occasional knife, but won't help with a Columbine situation.

And you act like the teachers get a few range hours and take an online course and boom, certified.

Frankly, I know several teachers that would be perfect if trained properly. I also know 2 resource officers who would battle Barney Fife with regards to being in control of a situation. So my generalization is about as reliable as yours.

 

The excuses why it won't work could be overcome, I have no doubt. Those who oppose, in my humble opinion, have more philosophical doubts than physical doubts if I'm reading here correctly.

 

In my head, I picture some of you are assuming that the pasty skinned farsighted 95lb 65 year old librarian is packing to protect her school. And perhaps she could, but that's not the picture I have in my head. I think many of you don't give those in the teaching profession enough credit. I have no doubt that some could be called upon to defend our kids in a crisis. As a matter of fact, as emotionally attached to the kids as many teachers get, I would argue that a teacher would be like a mother bear defending her cubs if need be. And that mother bear would have a significantly better chance to mitigate a situation if properly trained to protect.

 

But I doubt many agree.

A lot of this is just the NRA flexing its muscle in a pro-gun county. (Revisit post 66.) Kalil also helped write the language in the bill State Sen. Schickel introduced to allow concealed carry in bars. Kalil has a financial interest in all this as well since presumedly he would be conducting the training sessions. The task for the Boone County Board of Ed will be to separate the facts from the NRA propaganda.

I also wonder whether the Boone County Educators Association (teachers union) would have to agree as well, since concealed carry would be a change in working conditions.

Why not require all Teachers/administrators to be armed?

Who uses retired officers as school resource officers? SRO's should be part of active Law Enforcement not just a security guard to sit at the front door reading the paper. All of the SRO's in our county are active officers that are on the streets when school is not in session.

 

Then your in even better shape. I do know that Kenton Co uses some retired police officers. Very very good retired police officers I should add.

A lot of this is just the NRA flexing its muscle in a pro-gun county. (Revisit post 66.) Kalil also helped write the language in the bill State Sen. Schickel introduced to allow concealed carry in bars. Kalil has a financial interest in all this as well since presumedly he would be conducting the training sessions. The task for the Boone County Board of Ed will be to separate the facts from the NRA propaganda.

I think that's a crock of crap. Maybe he has a vested interest, I don't know. And I'm not talking Boone Co schools. I'm talking much broader scope. But those opposed like you will automatically make it political. A pro gun county, what the hell is that?