How would concealed carry work for female teachers? The reason I ask is that some elementary schools are almost totally staffed by female teachers and administrators.

How would concealed carry work for female teachers? The reason I ask is that some elementary schools are almost totally staffed by female teachers and administrators.

Is this a serious question? Not being combative, but are you being facetious or serious?

Does that mean then that drug testing would be done? If not, how do you know these would not likely be the ones carrying if they pass a background check. Just another variable to throw into the equation.

There are just too many "what ifs" for me.

Absolutely. I can't imagine a scenario where it wouldn't be done very regularly.

Is this a serious question? Not being combative, but are you being facetious or serious?

Serious question. I'm not up to speed on female concealed carry. Are weapons mostly kept in a woman's purse -- as opposed to "on the person"? How would this work in a classroom?

It amazes me that we, in general, think the worst of our fellow workers. I think it should be a mandatory class during the summer given by some entity who provides training to that end. I am all for someone competent carrying in a school situation. I understand the angst among some. I also argue that properly trained it could save lives in the event there was an active shooter. But we will find fault with it somehow, and the answer that could have saved multiple lives was passed over because of the possibility that the armed teacher might lose it and go postal on an entire class. Boy there would be some anti gun sentiment then wouldn't there?

 

I'd be less worried about the teacher going postal. If a teacher wanted to do that, there's not much really stopping them from doing it as is aside from the forethought to actually bring it.

 

As a law student, I'd be more worried about a teacher mishandling the firearm and there being an accidental discharge. Headline reads "Teacher's Concealed Weapon Accidentally Discharges In Room Of 4th Graders" and you've got parents suing saying that the teacher wasn't qualified (and it's kind of hard to argue when you have to admit there was an accidental discharge), saying that their kids are scarred and cannot feel safe at school anymore, etc.

 

Another scenario where something could happen where litigation would ensue would be something like this:

 

We're assuming that few know which teachers are armed. Some kids are playing a prank on their teacher. Student puts on a Halloween mask, walks up behind the teacher while they are on their computer, grabs them, and screams to scare them. Sensing a threat, the teacher jumps up and draws a gun, only to realize it was just a student trying to play a harmless joke. No shots are fired, but the damage might have been done.

 

Maybe another example that would be better is something like chemistry or physics teacher next door is doing an experiment and something causes a loud "bang" noise. Teacher carrying the gun is next door, hears the noise and busts into the room with gun drawn.

 

I know those sound really dumb and might not be probable, but the fact that something like that could happen makes me hesitant.

 

I guess at the end of the day, it'd really come down to how stringent and selective the training and licensing process was.

Serious question. I'm not up to speed on female concealed carry. Are weapons mostly kept in a woman's purse -- as opposed to "on the person"? How would this work in a classroom?

Well, I'd say you're assumption is correct. However, I can't imagine that a weapon couldn't be concealed on a female person in the same manner as a male. IWB holster or an ankle holster. I'd have to guess yoga pants would be out. But I'd insist on the weapon being on the person.

I guess at the end of the day, it'd really come down to how stringent and selective the training and licensing process was.

No question about that at all.

How would concealed carry work for female teachers? The reason I ask is that some elementary schools are almost totally staffed by female teachers and administrators.

 

The Flash Bang Bra Holster - seriously

 

 

I know a few women who wear the Flash Bang. They won't demonstrate for me unfortunately.

The Flash Bang Bra Holster - seriously

 

 

I know a few women who wear the Flash Bang. They won't demonstrate for me unfortunately.

 

Or a thigh holster

 

Probably just me.

 

My kids (if I had any that were school aged and living in Boone County) would soon be enrolled in another district.

After digesting everything that's been put out there, I think I'm leaning this way...

 

1.) It's a volunteer program. Nobody says you HAVE to do it, as a teacher. If you're not comfortable around guns, you're not going to be forced to do it.

 

2.) Immediately following that is the training/practicing. Well guess what, someone that's already comfortable around guns, may already be practicing on their own anyway! Now, even the most accurate of marksmen (markswomen?) still need to undergo extensive training on when it's appropriate to be shooting in the first place. And if there's teachers' in-service days for academics, I see no reason why a school district wouldn't allow some continuous training/practicing throughout the year on this front. In fact, I'd dare say it'd be a whole lot cheaper to pay for a dozen teachers from 3 or 4 buildings to get together 3 or 4 times during the school year for this specific purpose, than it would be to staff one building with a safety office for the entire school year.

 

3.) Background checks. Yes, a must. The HIPPA issue would be a tricky one. However, if you can't get around that, I'd eliminate any "new" teachers (either straight out of college or recent transfers) from being eligible, even if they wanted to volunteer. If you work side-by-side with someone day-after-day, for a year or two, you can't help but get an idea of what their temperament is, psychological report or not. You'll find out who the hot-heads are, and you'll find out the ones who are easily flustered, etc. on your own.

 

4.) Just because someone is authorized to carry, doesn't mean they HAVE to carry each and every day. Just as an outsider would have no idea as to who, or how many, would be carrying on any given day, keep the kids guessing too. I do believe that the knowledge that someone in the building may have a gun is going to be a deterrent, even if it's a slight one, to some people, whether they're already in the building or not. It's the reason why you more often than not see schools/theaters/malls/etc. targeted, and not police stations.

 

I liken it to the air marshall situation. Yes, we were told that there'd be an air marshall on every flight. But, we're also told they would not be identified either. So, really, how do you KNOW that there's been an air marshall on every single flight? You don't. And neither do the idiots who would think about doing something aboard.

 

5.) You're never going to be able to stop someone 100% from making an attack. If someone wants to cause harm, they'll cause harm. The only thing that this does, is try to minimize the damage. Would Sandy Hook still have happened? There's a chance it still would have. Would 20 students still have been shot? I can't sit here and say they wouldn't. All I know is that there were 6 teachers that were shot. And if he could shoot them...then they may have had an opportunity to shoot him. So, even if one kid would've been spared, it'd have been worth it, in my opinion.

 

We can sit here and come up with "what if's" all day long, the probable and the not so probable. But, we can also come up with a bunch of other scenarios where an untrained person can lead to (or at least, allow) the death of a student. This is no different. IF, you can find competent, trustworthy individuals who can do it appropriately, then I think you'd be foolish not to take advantage of it. If you can't...then quite simply, you don't.

Probably just me.

 

My kids (if I had any that were school aged and living in Boone County) would soon be enrolled in another district.

 

That's your right, I just don't understand the fear of a responsible, trained adult carrying a firearm anymore than a trained security guard.

After digesting everything that's been put out there, I think I'm leaning this way...

 

1.) It's a volunteer program. Nobody says you HAVE to do it, as a teacher. If you're not comfortable around guns, you're not going to be forced to do it..

 

Without question, volunteer only.

 

 

2.) Immediately following that is the training/practicing. Well guess what, someone that's already comfortable around guns, may already be practicing on their own anyway! Now, even the most accurate of marksmen (markswomen?) still need to undergo extensive training on when it's appropriate to be shooting in the first place. And if there's teachers' in-service days for academics, I see no reason why a school district wouldn't allow some continuous training/practicing throughout the year on this front. In fact, I'd dare say it'd be a whole lot cheaper to pay for a dozen teachers from 3 or 4 buildings to get together 3 or 4 times during the school year for this specific purpose, than it would be to staff one building with a safety office for the entire school year..

 

I think the teachers who take part should receive a decent stipend. Similar to what some school provide coaches.

 

3.) Background checks. Yes, a must. The HIPPA issue would be a tricky one. However, if you can't get around that, I'd eliminate any "new" teachers (either straight out of college or recent transfers) from being eligible, even if they wanted to volunteer. If you work side-by-side with someone day-after-day, for a year or two, you can't help but get an idea of what their temperament is, psychological report or not. You'll find out who the hot-heads are, and you'll find out the ones who are easily flustered, etc. on your own..

 

I have to think there is a way to work with Hippa regs to get this. Don't know.

 

4.) Just because someone is authorized to carry, doesn't mean they HAVE to carry each and every day. Just as an outsider would have no idea as to who, or how many, would be carrying on any given day, keep the kids guessing too. I do believe that the knowledge that someone in the building may have a gun is going to be a deterrent, even if it's a slight one, to some people, whether they're already in the building or not. It's the reason why you more often than not see schools/theaters/malls/etc. targeted, and not police stations.

 

I liken it to the air marshall situation. Yes, we were told that there'd be an air marshall on every flight. But, we're also told they would not be identified either. So, really, how do you KNOW that there's been an air marshall on every single flight? You don't. And neither do the idiots who would think about doing something aboard..

 

Hmmm. Part of me says if you are going to pay for their training and pay them a stipend, it is OK to expect them to carry every day.

 

 

5.) You're never going to be able to stop someone 100% from making an attack. If someone wants to cause harm, they'll cause harm. The only thing that this does, is try to minimize the damage. Would Sandy Hook still have happened? There's a chance it still would have. Would 20 students still have been shot? I can't sit here and say they wouldn't. All I know is that there were 6 teachers that were shot. And if he could shoot them...then they may have had an opportunity to shoot him. So, even if one kid would've been spared, it'd have been worth it, in my opinion.

 

We can sit here and come up with "what if's" all day long, the probable and the not so probable. But, we can also come up with a bunch of other scenarios where an untrained person can lead to (or at least, allow) the death of a student. This is no different. IF, you can find competent, trustworthy individuals who can do it appropriately, then I think you'd be foolish not to take advantage of it. If you can't...then quite simply, you don't.

 

True, the goal I would say is to keep deaths as low as possible, stop the shooter(s) after the first few shots.

Horrible idea.

Probably just me.

 

My kids (if I had any that were school aged and living in Boone County) would soon be enrolled in another district.

 

Nope. Not just you. I'd do the same.