Outstanding comment in bold!

 

PP2 how many kids play sports in College for free?

 

How many attend College receiving KEES money or other scholarship money?

 

Wanna bet me, it's academic money that enables more students to attend college?

 

BTW you do realize that Colleges were not built to see who has the best sports teams, correct?

 

On this site, you constantly read about kids getting scholarship to play at so and so but truthfully few get full rides. You want a free trip to College? Your best chance is via Academics and BTW even if you do get a full ride to college via a athletic scholarship, whats the kids chance to play Pro ball and make a living at it?

 

Academics is one reason our Commonwealth is so far behind the rest of the Nation in jobs and if you read any of the major papers in Ky. you will have read where it is gotten to be a political hot potato to make Academics THE MAJOR item for both parties to improve on.

 

As I have said time after time after time, "Sports are for fun, getting a outstanding education, last a life time"

 

And like I told wheelhouse you are missing the point of my statement and looking at one word. "Crap".

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People always talk all that crap about academics being more important than athletics but I tell you, people worry a whole lot more about who is playing what instead of who is learning what.

 

And to be truthful, he is correct but it needs to change in the Commonwealth and in our Nation!

 

 

See post #80.

See post #80.

 

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Maybe I should not have used that example and I apologize if I have offended anyone.

 

With that said I would like to elaborate on the example and the point I was trying to make.

• first, I see nothing wrong at all with a player and family wanting to play at a school that maximizes their potential

• players and families do switch schools for the purpose of a better sports opportunity for their child

 

My comment was not meant to accuse anyone of violating a rule. There were other comments in this thread that suggested kids should not be choosing where they go to school just because of sports. I disagree with that. I'm actually in the same boat trying to choose the right high school for my youngest based on sports and acedemics.

 

Recruiting by a school or coach is one thing, choosing the best situation for your kid's talents to blossom is another.

 

I don't see why there should be a difference between a kid who has played varsity vs a kid who has not. If the reason to transfer (or choose a different school system prior to playing varsity) is to maximize the potential for that child's future, then they should be allowed to do it. The KHSAA should have the burden of proving a violation.

 

Again, my example was poorly chosen and/or worded. I would love to have my youngest son follow that same path and play for a coach of that quality.

Maybe I should not have used that example and I apologize if I have offended anyone.

 

With that said I would like to elaborate on the example and the point I was trying to make.

• first, I see nothing wrong at all with a player and family wanting to play at a school that maximizes their potential

• players and families do switch schools for the purpose of a better sports opportunity for their child

 

My comment was not meant to accuse anyone of violating a rule. There were other comments in this thread that suggested kids should not be choosing where they go to school just because of sports. I disagree with that. I'm actually in the same boat trying to choose the right high school for my youngest based on sports and acedemics.

 

Recruiting by a school or coach is one thing, choosing the best situation for your kid's talents to blossom is another.

 

I don't see why there should be a difference between a kid who has played varsity vs a kid who has not. If the reason to transfer (or choose a different school system prior to playing varsity) is to maximize the potential for that child's future, then they should be allowed to do it. The KHSAA should have the burden of proving a violation.

 

Again, my example was poorly chosen and/or worded. I would love to have my youngest son follow that same path and play for a coach of that quality.

 

 

I am in this same boat as well.

And I humbly suggest that you take in the whole sentence and the statement I was trying to make instead of one word in the sentence.

 

The point I am trying to make is that nobody cares when a kid who doesn't play any sports at all leaves a lesser school or a horrible environment to get a better education or a better life experience at an out of district school. Let that same kid play a sport and be good at it and then watch people lose their minds and demand that the kid be ruled ineligible.

 

 

There isn't a school in this state that isn't benefitting from an out of district student one way or another but it is only an issue when it comes to athletics. That's crap to me. Schools brag about their test scores and what percentile they are in. Schools brag about where US News places them nationally. Schools brag about any and everything they can brag about. And each school in this state benefits somehow, someway from an out of district student. The hypocrisy is maddening.

 

I understand quite clearly what you are saying, including the larger context of your statement, and I use the word "humbly" in all seriousness rather than sarcastically. In fact, I am not even saying that I necessarily disagree with all of your basic points. However, the way you used the term "crap" indicates that you believe *everybody* who suggests academics should be at least as important as athletics when considering a transfer is being hypocritical (though some of us really mean it when we say it). You reinforce that perception in this comment when you claim that "nobody cares when a kid who doesn't play any sports at all leaves a lesser school or a horrible environment to get a better education or a better life experience at an out of district school." You are obviously a bright individual with a decent handle on language, but "everybody believes this" or "nobody cares about that" are unsupportable statements -- they do not benefit your argument or the larger discussion.

I am curious to know the statistics of kids ruled eligible vs kids ruled ineligible based on how affluent, or not affluent, the families were. I would also be interested in seeing the racial breakdown of the cases, as well as in-state transfers vs transfers from out of state. A regional breakdown would also be worth looking at. I wonder if this type of data will be brought up in a lawsuit?

I am curious to know the statistics of kids ruled eligible vs kids ruled ineligible based on how affluent, or not affluent, the families were. I would also be interested in seeing the racial breakdown of the cases, as well as in-state transfers vs transfers from out of state. A regional breakdown would also be worth looking at. I wonder if this type of data will be brought up in a lawsuit?

 

Those are excellent questions. I do not know whether state athletic organizations maintain those statistics -- at least officially -- but it's possible that someone somewhere has produced an article, thesis, or dissertation that involves those issues and uses those numbers. I can't promise anything, but give me a few days.

It is recruiting if kids are asked to come to a school to play sports whether they recieve anything else or not. It's still recruiting.

 

KHSAA Definition:

Recruiting is defined as an act, on behalf of or for the benefit of, a school, which attempts to influence a student to transfer to a member school for the purpose of participating in athletics.

What is Influence defined as?

 

Influencing a student shall include the promise or instilling the expectation of an athletic advantage, playing time, employment of the student or the student’s parents or relatives, housing for the student or the student’s parents, scholarships or financial aid for which other members of the student body are not generally

eligible, providing other improper benefits, making improper contacts or any other material or athletic reward for which other members of the student body are not generally eligible.

 

KHSAA also says that if a student or parent contacts a coach about a possible transfer that they should be forwarded to the principal, who says they weren't.

KHSAA Definition:

Recruiting is defined as an act, on behalf of or for the benefit of, a school, which attempts to influence a student to transfer to a member school for the purpose of participating in athletics.

What is Influence defined as?

 

Influencing a student shall include the promise or instilling the expectation of an athletic advantage, playing time, employment of the student or the student’s parents or relatives, housing for the student or the student’s parents, scholarships or financial aid for which other members of the student body are not generally

eligible, providing other improper benefits, making improper contacts or any other material or athletic reward for which other members of the student body are not generally eligible.

 

KHSAA also says that if a student or parent contacts a coach about a possible transfer that they should be forwarded to the principal, who says they weren't.

And your point?

 

I doubt very much the boys from Canada or any other state heard about Cordia on their own.

I understand quite clearly what you are saying, including the larger context of your statement, and I use the word "humbly" in all seriousness rather than sarcastically. In fact, I am not even saying that I necessarily disagree with all of your basic points. However, the way you used the term "crap" indicates that you believe *everybody* who suggests academics should be at least as important as athletics when considering a transfer is being hypocritical (though some of us really mean it when we say it). You reinforce that perception in this comment when you claim that "nobody cares when a kid who doesn't play any sports at all leaves a lesser school or a horrible environment to get a better education or a better life experience at an out of district school." You are obviously a bright individual with a decent handle on language, but "everybody believes this" or "nobody cares about that" are unsupportable statements -- they do not benefit your argument or the larger discussion.

 

 

But those are supportable statements. This isn't just a sports forum. Nobody ever starts threads about the schools that claim to have the best test scores in the state or in their district. Nobody ever starts threads discussing who has the best composite ACT scores. Nobody ever starts threads discussing who had the highest graduation rates in their class from freshman-seniors. I guarantee that schools benefitted from transfers in these situations but nobody ever discusses that. It's only in athletics when it becomes an issue but that is why I feel that all schools in the state benefit from transfers somehow, someway and somewhat.

Why did kids from Canada and New York or wherever else decide to go to Cordia? I date you to say because of academics with a straight face.

 

Who cares why? If the parents think that is the best situation , then why do we all care ?

I am curious to know the statistics of kids ruled eligible vs kids ruled ineligible based on how affluent, or not affluent, the families were. I would also be interested in seeing the racial breakdown of the cases, as well as in-state transfers vs transfers from out of state. A regional breakdown would also be worth looking at. I wonder if this type of data will be brought up in a lawsuit?

 

I don't agree this is a factor because Holmes kids never get ruled ineligible . It is more of an out of state thing I think bugs some people for some weird reason.

I don't agree this is a factor because Holmes kids never get ruled ineligible . It is more of an out of state thing I think bugs some people for some weird reason.

 

What do you mean by "I don't agree this is a factor?" And how is "this" relevant to "Holmes" kids? I gave examples of 5 different things to look at... which one are you referring to?

For those talking about the spirit of the game and how it's about kids' hometowns and playing for their counties:

 

You do realize that Perry Central has two transfers, one from Wolfe County, who is the son of a former UK player, and one from Philadelphia, correct? (Two kids from Philadelphia was the rumor I'd heard all summer, but apparently only one panned out).

 

You do realize that Knott Central's Cameron Justice started out at East Ridge and they got a kid in Keegan Simmons who came in from Bath County this year, correct?

 

You do realize that Hazard's Chris Hudson came from Texas to Cordia, then transferred to Hazard, and that they have 3 exchange students awaiting eligibility rulings, correct?

 

Better yet compare enrollment! now really most school with a High enrollment of more than 200 students find it difficult to find 15 solid coachable players. What's Cordia's enrollment they should expect to find what 2-3 player . Talk equality. Now if a kid come to school they can't be included in extracurricular activities. ..... These are kids and this is school.... yall take this stuff way to serious all this conversation for freaking high school. Grow up let get a life. They have sat out a half of season let the kids play. Heck Malik Hines is........... and doing it well.