Most of if not all off the small colleges have a recruit form, that's on their website.

 

Great topic by the way.

If they didn't vote, you know they didn't nominate their players, if so, they would have voted for their players.

 

I don't necessarily agree. Could be true in some cases.

 

I may choose to nominate players I think have a chance or that at least should be recognized. That doesn't mean I'd then vote. It certainly doesn't mean I'd vote for my own players.

 

I think we're asking too much of coaches to be able to vote for all-state teams. ZERO chance they know who is best at each position from 221 teams.

Here is one scenario that really gets under my skin: A college coach contacts the high school coach and says, "we are interested in Little Johnny, can you put us in touch with him?". The high school coach does not think Little Johnny can play college football and does nothing trying to get Little Johnny in contact with the college. The thing the high school coach does not understand is, the college coach saw Little Johnny at a camp and thinks he fits the college team's system, and is not evaluating Little Johnny based on what he has done in high school. Little Johnny never talks to the college coach. The college coach thinks Little Johnny must have not been interested and moves on to the next player.

 

 

This scenario has to be a 1 out of 1000+ scenario.

I think you are grossly underestimating the number. Like many, I think you correlate quality on the field coaching with quality administrative work. I know several coaches that neglect assisting players with recruiting that would shock you if I named their names (but I will not).

 

For the record, I say the number is around 50%. Just like less the 50% of coaches bothered to vote for All-State.

 

Not sure you can correlate the two, they have NOTHING to do with each other. Promoting your kids to colleges and filling out an all-state ballot are not the same in my book. You can't vote for your own kids, the kids you care deeply for, but those kids you certainly push to colleges. I would also say that again, if a ballot was not complete it probably isn't counted. Email was also used this year, wonder how many never made it...etc. I maybe low on the numbers, but I would argue you are very high. I know 80% of the coaches in the state on a personal level...I take my relationship with them as quality and know them as men. All-state is sham. It has become who trades votes for who...not really about the best kids in the state. Sad but true. Same reason block voting is done...not about the best kids.

I do not believe it is the high school's coach to be the main link for a kid in the recruiting efforts. I do believe they should be prudent to responding to information if asked. As long as it is a reasonable request. A coach should be honest with the kid's effort, athletic abilities, academics, disciplinary record, etc. I think I would have a little bio on each junior and senior to send if asked by a college recruiter. That takes little effort after you have completed that info to respond. It is simply attaching a file. I believe it is a coach's responsibility to nominate his athlete's for awards, but he/she is not obligated to vote. Don't forget many of these coaches have teaching responsibilities that take a massive amount of time in prepping and evaluating sometimes 150 students for their classes. That is their first responsibility.

This scenario has to be a 1 out of 1000+ scenario.

How many thousand schools are there in Kentucky because I know of quite a few of those scenarios in my area. This comes from College Coaches telling me they could not get coaches to respond to them about players.

Not sure you can correlate the two, they have NOTHING to do with each other. Promoting your kids to colleges and filling out an all-state ballot are not the same in my book. You can't vote for your own kids, the kids you care deeply for, but those kids you certainly push to colleges. I would also say that again, if a ballot was not complete it probably isn't counted. Email was also used this year, wonder how many never made it...etc. I maybe low on the numbers, but I would argue you are very high. I know 80% of the coaches in the state on a personal level...I take my relationship with them as quality and know them as men. All-state is sham. It has become who trades votes for who...not really about the best kids in the state. Sad but true. Same reason block voting is done...not about the best kids.

I value your opinion and your experience. You may be correct, perhaps I've just been privy to the ones that don't do the things you have come to see. And, I don't disagree about the make up of the All-State list, but I can't for the life of me understand why a coach would not nominate players from his team that are worthy of the publicity.

My 2 cents on this, I understand somee coaches have so much other things to do they y may not have tine to answer all the emails etc for all star teams etc around the state as well as their districts or regional teams etc. Many are teachers or coaches in other sports also or even AD's etc. But why can't those coaches hand the responsibility over to one of their assistant coaches etc. to do the nominating etc. tht is what Id do if I didn

t have the time or whatever.

The other part of recruiting that is a big factor is getting the college coach to watch the video of your player. College coaches are getting more video than they can ever begin to watch. If a college coach will watch our guy and give me an evaluation, I am happy.

I value your opinion and your experience. You may be correct, perhaps I've just been privy to the ones that don't do the things you have come to see. And, I don't disagree about the make up of the All-State list, but I can't for the life of me understand why a coach would not nominate players from his team that are worthy of the publicity.

 

Its like anything else, there are always bad examples in any profession...preechers, politicians, coaches...etc. I do however believe that most get into this profession because we had a coach that influenced us greatly, so much so that we give up the opportunity to use our education to better support our families and sacrifice so much for young men. It is a shame that there are a few that have stayed longer than they should. Often times coaches nominate, send out emails, work connections, and do all they can for a kid...and they never get looked at. I also have met college coaches who were not entirely honest about being contacted by kids or certain coaches...they just didn't have the courage to tell me the truth, that they had dropped the ball. Case in point, I had talked to a recruiter for a certain area of the state and he indicated that such and such coach hadn't sent him a thing on a certain kid. I ran into that said coach about a week later at a clinic...and asked about this particular kid and where he was going. He said he had sent out more film on him than ANY other he had, and couldn't get a coach to return his calls. It happens on both sides of the fence...as a parent you must do all you can to also help publicize your kid. Get questionaires filled out, cleared through NCAA and NAIA clearing houses, make highlights yourself if you must, call coaches, set up visits...if a coach just will not do it, let the AD and principal know. While most contracts don't specify that as a duty of the coach, it certainly needs to be brought to someones attention that there is neglect to some extent...just my opinion.

...as a parent you must do all you can to also help publicize your kid. Get questionaires filled out, cleared through NCAA and NAIA clearing houses, make highlights yourself if you must, call coaches, set up visits...if a coach just will not do it, let the AD and principal know. While most contracts don't specify that as a duty of the coach, it certainly needs to be brought to someones attention that there is neglect to some extent...just my opinion………………...

 

I may have hit a perfect storm, but I can honestly say that I was able to get my son a great deal of attention without putting in a great deal of work. The most work I did was make his highlight video, that was time consuming. I know that is one player versus 10-20 that a coach has, but it really didn't take that much effort. Yes, he went to combines and camps, but he received the most attention from emailing coaches and sending his highlight video and player profile to coaches. The only combine or camp that really got him attention from coaches was CoachJ's combine. Some of the other combines and camps yielded one or two contacts, CoachJ's combine yielded six.

 

My argument is, if a player can get that much attention from just emailing a coach, how much attention can a player get when the high school coach emails colleges?

In my experience, sending highlight video to the right schools for the child's skill level, gets the best results. All three of my sons have played college football at both the D-I and D-III levels. If you are D-III level but only send video to SEC schools, you're going to be disappointed in the results.

What you do with your combine is excellent. I really appreciate you taking the time to do that. My son went to many events: combines, camps and clinics. He received more contacts and interest from your combine then any other single event he attended.

 

I really wish more coaches would hold combines such as yours around the state.

 

That feedback means a lot. I often wonder if it's really worth the time and effort we spend putting it on, then I get comments like yours and the one I had a college coach from a VERY acclaimed college in Indiana two weeks ago. He said that he got onto 15 kids who live on the outskirts of Louisville that he'd never have known about/known how athletic they were if not for seeing them live doing drills at our event.

 

Now...if I could just get the other schools in LOUISVILLE to promote their kids coming and getting exposed as well as the ones OUTSIDE Louisville have!

That feedback means a lot. I often wonder if it's really worth the time and effort we spend putting it on, then I get comments like yours and the one I had a college coach from a VERY acclaimed college in Indiana two weeks ago. He said that he got onto 15 kids who live on the outskirts of Louisville that he'd never have known about/known how athletic they were if not for seeing them live doing drills at our event.

 

Now...if I could just get the other schools in LOUISVILLE to promote their kids coming and getting exposed as well as the ones OUTSIDE Louisville have!

As you know, we had five players at your combine, everyone of them received contacts from you combine. The four seniors have all received offers from contacts they made at your combine. If that's not results, I don't know what is.

 

I know my son was recruited hard by five schools that first made contact with him at your combine.

 

Keep up the good work, it is paying off and is definitely worth the work. I know the players and their parents appreciate it, and from speaking with the college coaches that were there, I know they appreciate it as well.

The two well known coaches on here have hit the nail on the head. TONS of parents and players SAY they want to play college football. But when you get down to it, and you ask them to do some very simple acts like fill out this recruiting card or meet with me for an hour so we can discus all this, VERY FEW are interested in expending the effort. A lot of the proposed stats on here seem to want to point the finger at coaches...when in reality, I would say that 90-95% of kids are not really serious about wanting to go to the next level. That's not a bad thing either. Football is a hard sport to play, it wears on you, and honestly, by the end of most kids High School careers, they're ready to hang out rather than lift, run, and watch film. That's not a knock against them or a comment on how "we've gone soft", or a failing to see the opportunities, it's just reality. One of the biggest questions I have heard college coaches ask over the years has been, "Do you feel like "Johnny" really loves football?" What they're getting at with that question is, does the coach think Johnny is going to be a guy that will stick it out for four to five years or will be a part of the about 65% of kids that wash out before their senior years?

 

I have personally coached DIA recruited kids who have skipped offered visits because they really "just didn't feel like going"...that's no joke.

 

As for the CJ Coaches All State voting it clearly states for coaches to ONLY VOTE FOR PLAYERS THEY HAVE SEEN. That statement has a huge impact on the ballots.