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I thought I had read that the Democrats scaled back funding to meet the GOP plan but they will not budge on Obamacare. If true that is compromise. Does anyone have a link to the two plans and how, if any, they've changed over the past few weeks?

 

If they did it is not in any articles I've read. They are passing the same bill as the GOP and removing the Obamacare language.

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TRUE STORY: My son works at the local Sheriff's Office and he took a phone call around 2 or 3 a.m. from a lady asking about the government shut down. He explain that it was only non-essential Federal agencies that were being shut down. They went back and forth for a few minutes her not understanding and thinking everything was getting shut down...finally he asked her what her concern was. She wanted to know if the federal prisoners were getting to come home during the shutdown.

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That is true. Obama is being very clear that he will not compromise on anything that delays Obamacare. There are some very hard lines drawn there on both sides. Both sides won elections because of their position and don't want to compromise.

 

The bad thing for the Tea Party Republicans is they cannot win this one and that is why Obama is being so hard core. It is bad strategy on their part. As much as everyone is squawking about the shutdown, it really isn't that big a deal so it is no leverage against Obama. A number of Republicans also disagree with this strategy by the Tea Party faction. Didn't Rand Paul even say he disagreed with this tactic?

 

The GOP is going to back down they did this for the base and like you said there will be no true harm done. The best bet GOP has is to let Obamacare playout because as the WSJ said there are so many holes and problems to be worked out the negative press come election time next year could help them win back the Senate.

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Republicans have used the threat of a government shutdown as a bargaining chip to stop Obamacare. For Congressional Democrats and Obama, their options are to get rid of Obamacare in order to fund the government or call the Republicans’ bluff. Considering 72% of Americans oppose shutting down the government over Obamacare and a plurality will blame Congressional Republicans for it, it’s not a difficult decision for the other side. Democrats have nothing to gain by caving into Republican demands and Republicans are staked to be blamed for following through with their demands. It’s pretty simple.

 

Granted, a government shutdown for a short period of time is mild, but the debt ceiling is due to be hit this month and Republicans have much more extensive demands for agreeing to that. Unfortunately, obstinacy in that realm will be catastrophic. I fear the mildness of temporary shutdown will embolden Republicans to up the ante on the debt limit.

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Here is what I want. I want statesmen in Congress. I want the Congress we had 20+ years ago that would work with each other and compromise with each other. I want a government like what we had when Reagan and Tip O'Neill were able to compromise on legislation. Even like when Clinton and Gingrich compromised on issues and made government work. Government is not evil and doesn't need to be reduced at all costs. The structure and way our government works together is what has made America great. Brinksmanship and demagoguery are not what I want from my elected representatives. We need statesmen who are more worried about doing their job than winning a vote. Statesmen who will do their job the way our founding fathers wanted them to do it and make government work for the people who elected them. That's what I want.
Ah, how we forget history and try to revise it to sound like the "good ol days".......Since a new budgeting process was put into place in 1976, the U.S. government has shut down 17 times. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan each dealt with six shutdowns during their terms in office, lasting anywhere from one day to 2 1/2 weeks. This is not new folks.
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The GOP is going to back down they did this for the base and like you said there will be no true harm done. The best bet GOP has is to let Obamacare playout because as the WSJ said there are so many holes and problems to be worked out the negative press come election time next year could help them win back the Senate.

 

I think the opposite is going to happen. I think as Obamacare plays out more and more people will favor it. The catastrophic predictions are not going to happen. The out of control cost predictions are not going to happen. Economic disaster is not going to happen. Death panels are not going to happen. All the things that have been ranted on for the past 5 years are not going to happen. By this time next year, it is going to look a lot like business as usual and there will be many feel good stories that will over shadow the negative stories. I am sure there will be problems, but nothing catastrophic.

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I think the opposite is going to happen. I think as Obamacare plays out more and more people will favor it. The catastrophic predictions are not going to happen. The out of control cost predictions are not going to happen. Economic disaster is not going to happen. Death panels are not going to happen. All the things that have been ranted on for the past 5 years are not going to happen. By this time next year, it is going to look a lot like business as usual and there will be many feel good stories that will over shadow the negative stories. I am sure there will be problems, but nothing catastrophic.
We're of to see the Wizard........the wonderful Wizard of Oz, LOL!
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I think the opposite is going to happen. I think as Obamacare plays out more and more people will favor it. The catastrophic predictions are not going to happen. The out of control cost predictions are not going to happen. Economic disaster is not going to happen. Death panels are not going to happen. All the things that have been ranted on for the past 5 years are not going to happen. By this time next year, it is going to look a lot like business as usual and there will be many feel good stories that will over shadow the negative stories. I am sure there will be problems, but nothing catastrophic.
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Don't let me wake you from your slumber, but the US is on the verge of an economic boom.

 

Recovery yes but a boom? What is fueling this upcoming boom? That last one was fueled by the internet dot com boom but that industry has matured now.

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The GOP is going to back down they did this for the base and like you said there will be no true harm done. The best bet GOP has is to let Obamacare playout because as the WSJ said there are so many holes and problems to be worked out the negative press come election time next year could help them win back the Senate.

 

Don't count on that.

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