I asked in the initial post on this thread What Could Be Done? and specifically asked for ideas other than legalization of drugs...yet for the most part that is all that has been proposed.

 

FKYW, Bash, Mustang you guys seem to have given the drug issue a lot more thought than most of us...none of you has an idea besides legalizing drugs?

I am for legalization but I could live with all decriminalization for users and just focusing on dealers . The money and time spent on users is silly.

I am for legalization but I could live with all decriminalization for users and just focusing on dealers . The money and time spent on users is silly.

I completely agree on the bolded. I don't see a lot of users being put in jail, I think when you look at the number of people in prison for drug offenses it is the dealers not the kid with a joint.

I'll readily admit I don't have a solution. But I'm 100% convinced legalization isn't an alternative I'd choose. Because it's legal doesn't mean it would inherently be better or less likely to be overdosed. I also understand the argument that would allow adults the liberty to do what they please to themselves. However, those who would indulge are far more likely to harm others collaterally wouldn't you agree? It's a pipedream (no pun intended) to think that users will lock themselves at home and partake and not get behind the wheel or worse. Am I way off base here? Some laws are for the general protection of the public. Dr. Kevorkian was, in his opinion and others, doing a public service. However, laws are similarly in place to protect our population.

 

 

There are people now who use drugs and get out into public or drive under the influence all the time. It doesn't take legalization to have that problem, the same thing happens now with it being illegal. Fact of the matter is there are always going to be millions of people doing drugs whether its legal or illegal. The one thing legalizing would do is save the billions of dollars being wasted trying to rid a problem that is always going to be there. You arrest 25 drug dealers today, there's going to be 30 back on the streets tomorrow. Simple economics, where theres a demand theres going to be a supply and in the US and other countries drugs are always going to be in demand. Instead of some of this industry being controlled by cartels and criminal organizations it could be handled in the corporate world the same as tobacco or alcohol. The medical marijuana industry in Cali and Denver has already proven this is a much better alternative to the patient than having to fool with street deals. Like FKYW said, everythings been decriminalized in Portugal for a while and it has actually improved many of their crime and use rates. Astonishingly use and overdose deaths have went down since they made this move, you cannot explain it but the notion works and IMO makes the most sense.

There are people now who use drugs and get out into public or drive under the influence all the time. It doesn't take legalization to have that problem, the same thing happens now with it being illegal. Fact of the matter is there are always going to be millions of people doing drugs whether its legal or illegal. The one thing legalizing would do is save the billions of dollars being wasted trying to rid a problem that is always going to be there. You arrest 25 drug dealers today, there's going to be 30 back on the streets tomorrow. Simple economics, where theres a demand theres going to be a supply and in the US and other countries drugs are always going to be in demand. Instead of some of this industry being controlled by cartels and criminal organizations it could be handled in the corporate world the same as tobacco or alcohol. The medical marijuana industry in Cali and Denver has already proven this is a much better alternative to the patient than having to fool with street deals. Like FKYW said, everythings been decriminalized in Portugal for a while and it has actually improved many of their crime and use rates. Astonishingly use and overdose deaths have went down since they made this move, you cannot explain it but the notion works and IMO makes the most sense.

Growing, producing, dealing and trafficking drugs is still illegal in Portugal. I'm sure use rates do appear down since there are no more arrest for simple possession which is probably how a lot of usage is measured. Kinda like decriminalizing DUI's...DUI's would drop dramatically, because no one would be getting arrested for it so it would look like there were less.

Growing, producing, dealing and trafficking drugs is still illegal in Portugal. I'm sure use rates do appear down since there are no more arrest for simple possession which is probably how a lot of usage is measured. Kinda like decriminalizing DUI's...DUI's would drop dramatically, because no one would be getting arrested for it so it would look like there were less.

 

True but the point I was getting at is since decriminalization drugs have been less of a problem than it was when they were illegal.

Why don't we legalize murder also? Be a lot less disputes and arguments if we had the freedom to kill anyone we didn't like. Why don't we have the freedom to murder as well, who is the government to tell me I can't kill some one that cuts me off on the highway?

 

I bet reports of murder would drop and all of those in prison for murder could be released!!!

Why don't we legalize murder also? Be a lot less disputes and arguments if we had the freedom to kill anyone we didn't like. Why don't we have the freedom to murder as well, who is the government to tell me I can't kill some one that cuts me off on the highway?

 

I bet reports of murder would drop and all of those in prison for murder could be released!!!

 

What does murder have to do with it?

What does murder have to do with it?

 

Argument seemed to be that if drugs were legalized that the problems from drug abuse and addiction in this country would be better than it is now. Well if it works be legalizing drugs, why not legalize murder too, it should work for that too.

 

 

PS my previous post was written with sarcasm in my voice but I guess that didn't come across in my typing.

It's time we legalize it IMO. The "war" was lost a long time ago and it was a worthless "war".

It's time we legalize it IMO. The "war" was lost a long time ago and it was a worthless "war".

 

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Nothing's changed, it's not going to change, it's only going to get worst and more violent. No reason to be against trying something else because obviously the status quo isn't getting it done. Even it those other solutions are more outside the box.

Why don't we legalize murder also? Be a lot less disputes and arguments if we had the freedom to kill anyone we didn't like. Why don't we have the freedom to murder as well, who is the government to tell me I can't kill some one that cuts me off on the highway?

 

I bet reports of murder would drop and all of those in prison for murder could be released!!!

 

There is a distinct difference. Murder infringes upon another. Drug use does not.

There is a distinct difference. Murder infringes upon another. Drug use does not.

Evidently you've never seen the effects that drug use takes on an entire family...

 

There is a distinct difference. Murder infringes upon another. Drug use does not.

 

That isn't true. Drugs cause people to infringe upon others. Thefts, assaults, neglecting kids...

Alcohol causes people to infringe on others. Thefts, assaults, neglecting kids...

 

Funny, never seen any of you champion the return of prohibition.

Alcohol causes people to infringe on others. Thefts, assaults, neglecting kids...

 

Funny, never seen any of you champion the return of prohibition.

As usual, you fail to acknowledge a valid point that alcohol is often consumed in moderation without impairment. Heroin is not. But keep overlooking that point, no matter how many times its made.