Just so I'm understanding the tone of your post... Are you implying that breaking the law by speeding is "okay," but breaking the law by parking in a handicap spot isn't?

Not at all. I'm saying it's very easy to be speeding without realizing it for one. It's also a bit less deliberately in the face of another driver to go 5 or 10 miles over the speed limit than it is to knowingly block someone less physically capable than I am from having access to an establishment.

So, now we are equating speeding to someone with a disability being able to have appropriate access to parking. Unbelievable. I have to wonder how many know Birdsfan on here.

 

I think it was used more as an analogy to breaking the law in general...

Where would you suggest he park since obviously none of the handicapped spots would be available? Once he gets his wheelchair unloaded from his van, if there is room to do that since no handicapped spots are available, are you going load the mats on his wheelchair for him?

This!

Not at all. I'm saying it's very easy to be speeding without realizing it for one. It's also a bit less deliberately in the face of another driver to go 5 or 10 miles over the speed limit than it is to knowingly block someone less physically capable than I am from having access to an establishment.

 

I don't know about you, but I know when I'm speeding. :lol2: Sure there's a time or two when I look down and I'm going a few over the limit, but 9 times out of 10, I know that I'm speeding, and I'm doing it on purpose. I'd say that is the case with most drivers. I think it is a very conscious decision to be speeding.

 

I've said in these threads before, I obviously don't condone the abuse of handicap parking spots, but the law breaking point is a good one, IMO. People here are obviously more sensitive to the parking issue because of BF, and understandably so. But if we are going to throw out "well he's breaking the law!", then we need to do the same with speeders (or whoever else may be breaking the law).

I think it was used more as an analogy to breaking the law in general...

I understand. But those two things aren't remotely similar, do you agree?

I understand. But those two things aren't remotely similar, do you agree?

 

Morally speaking? Of course they aren't. But they are similar in that it is breaking the law to do either.

Morally speaking? Of course they aren't. But they are similar in that it is breaking the law to do either.

 

Speeding has never been a hindrance to another individual. This is totally another animal.

I don't know about you, but I know when I'm speeding. :lol2: Sure there's a time or two when I look down and I'm going a few over the limit, but 9 times out of 10, I know that I'm speeding, and I'm doing it on purpose. I'd say that is the case with most drivers. I think it is a very conscious decision to be speeding.

 

I've said in these threads before, I obviously don't condone the abuse of handicap parking spots, but the law breaking point is a good one, IMO. People here are obviously more sensitive to the parking issue because of BF, and understandably so. But if we are going to throw out "well he's breaking the law!", then we need to do the same with speeders (or whoever else may be breaking the law).

Well, like I said, I always knew I was breaking the law when speeding and that put me in the wrong, so I'm not saying it's ok to speed. The law is the law. Heck, many times I was caught speeding, I didn't realize I was until it was too late. Not always the case though. Again, unless I'm going so fast as to be a danger to others, it's apples to oranges though. One is breaking a law that generally doesn't affect others, the second blatantly affects others with intent to do so. Let's be honest, if I'm going 10 or 15 over, you aren't affected, If you're handicapped and do what was done in the picture, you're affected. That's why I say apples to oranges. I do agree that the law is the law, however.

Speeding has never been a hindrance to another individual. This is totally another animal.

 

Unless of course someone who is speeding runs someone who isn't speeding off the road...

Well, like I said, I always knew I was breaking the law when speeding and that put me in the wrong, so I'm not saying it's ok to speed. The law is the law. Heck, most times I was caught speeding, I didn't realize I was. Not always the case though. Again, unless I'm going so fast as to be a danger to others, it's apples to oranges though. One is breaking a law that generally doesn't affect others, the second blatantly affects others with intent to do so. Let's be honest, if I'm going 10 or 15 over, you aren't affected, If you're handicapped and do what was done in the picture, you're affected. That's why I say apples to oranges. I do agree that the law is the law, however.

 

He intentionally parked there, obviously. But I don't think he/she did it to blatantly affect others as you put it. Yes it affects them, I won't assume they did it to purposely inconvenience anyone.

Unless of course someone who is speeding runs someone who isn't speeding off the road...

That's not speeding, that's reckless driving, a major moving traffic violation.

He intentionally parked there, obviously. But I don't think he/she did it to blatantly affect others as you put it. Yes it affects them, I won't assume they did it to purposely inconvenience anyone.

Maybe, maybe not. The result is always the same for the handicapped, though.

I'm going to assume if anyone needed one of the handicapped spaces while the trailer was parked there, the driver would've moved it without question. It continues to amaze me how so many in these threads keep making a mountain out of a mole hill so to speak.

So, now we are equating speeding to someone with a disability being able to have appropriate access to parking. Unbelievable. I have to wonder how many know Birdsfan on here.

 

The reason why I brought up the speeding was this...we all like to think of ourselves as "law-abiding citizens", but, if you want to get right down to the brass tacks, we are not. Most of us obey most of the laws...which means we all then have some level of "disrespect" for the law.

 

Obviously, if you want to make it a simple black and white issue of "did this person break the law", then yes...he was in the wrong.

 

A question that I have (for Guru) is this...were all of the other handicapped spots taken? The reason why I ask is this...most handicapped spots are (obviously) the ones closest to the building. These look like the ones that are actually across the lot.

 

And finally, to BF...it was never my intention to insult/ignore/belittle anyone who deals with a handicap...and if I have done so to you or anyone else, I sincerely apologize.

Well, now we know what they were doing. We just don't know why they felt justified to blatantly disregard the law. Fire lanes too? Wow! :eek: No one (not owner or "safety personnel") can give you "permission" to break the law. Doesn't matter how generous of a volunteer one may be, or how laudable the activity, laws exist for a reason and they should be respected.

 

I assume this means you never speed? When you do, you blatantly disregard the law. How come people don't have to respect that law?

 

And let me add that I realize the difference in the two. I just don't get the attitude of "how dare someone disregard a law" when we all do it to some degree on almost a daily basis.