I can think of quite a few that would help his case and certainly hurt the officers, but since he's LE, he gets the benefit of the doubt and should be absolved of any wrong-doing.

 

And the reason we'll never know what he was thinking, understood, etc., is because of the lack of judgment made by the officer.

This is probably one of the least egregious instances of an innocent person being hurt or killed by the police. There's too much information left out to even know if there was wrongdoing.

 

I'm far more concerned by the excesses afforded to the Holy War on Drugs. I wish people paid more attention to how militarized and aggressive that domestic "war" has become and what it has wrought. I read a quote the other day from an innocent person on the wrong end of a drug raid ask "I know I don't live in Russia, but when did Putin come to America?"

Studies on perception/reaction time would say the officers giving up their position in this case would definitely give any threat a tactical advantage.

 

 

So, the cops do not "announce" they are there, then how does the victim know the police are there? If he doesn't know they are there, then how are the cops threatened?

The sky is a different color in our worlds.

 

I agree.

I don't think that is obvious at all. I think it is certainly possible and only a complete investigation will be able to determine that, but again it is not obvious.

 

I also agree with this. Lots of unknowns that need to be filled in.

So, the cops do not "announce" they are there, then how does the victim know the police are there? If he doesn't know they are there, then how are the cops threatened?

 

On a call like this, responding to a possible burglar alarm etc. Police do not pull up to the location with sirens blaring. No they don't want the perpetrator to know they are there.

I think the obvious question in everyone's mind is did he know they were police, and if he did not, why not? Based on what's in the articles it would sure seem way out of character for him to approach the police with a gun, let alone point it at them, if he knew they were police. Of course, given his age, which I don't think is old, he may have been confused.

On a call like this, responding to a possible burglar alarm etc. Police do not pull up to the location with sirens blaring. No they don't want the perpetrator to know they are there.

 

From what I understand, that is correct on how they approach the property on calls of this nature. So, to me that means the deceased was unaware of their presence. I find it hard believe that they would just fire their guns at some one who was not aware they were there.

 

There has to be more to this story.

So, the cops do not "announce" they are there, then how does the victim know the police are there? If he doesn't know they are there, then how are the cops threatened?

 

The deceased is a third party that overstepped his bounds (with the best of intentions).

 

And seriously on your last question!? Pick up a gun and approach me and you are more than a threat...

The deceased is a third party that overstepped his bounds (with the best of intentions).

 

And seriously on your last question!? Pick up a gun and approach me and you are more than a threat...

 

Oh, I understand the being a threat part if approaching the officer with a gun. Are you thinking that he was approaching them? Because I am trying to understand how he was a threat, if he did not know they were there. I guess there is a scenario that would cause them to feel threatened, I just can't come up with one. But, I also have a hard time thinking they just shot him for no reason.

 

As I type, I start to see where maybe he saw the cops pull up and he started down his driveway towards the officers, with gun in hand. Would protocol be to ask him to drop the weapon?

 

I do know that it is very easy to judge someone's behavior after the fact. I mean my line of work is also very dangerous and when something happens management wants to know why you reacted this way and not that way. These are the same guys that could not do the work, so they left the field and went into management. So, when I climb a 100' utility pole and hold 7K volts in my hand, the last thing I want is the guy on the ground, who couldn't do the work, to tell me how it should be done.

 

IDK, maybe I will pick the Sheriff's brain tonight!

 

It will be interesting to revisit this thread once all the facts are known.

Oh, I understand the being a threat part if approaching the officer with a gun. Are you thinking that he was approaching them? Because I am trying to understand how he was a threat, if he did not know they were there. I guess there is a scenario that would cause them to feel threatened, I just can't come up with one. But, I also have a hard time thinking they just shot him for no reason.

 

As I type, I start to see where maybe he saw the cops pull up and he started down his driveway towards the officers, with gun in hand. Would protocol be to ask him to drop the weapon?

 

I do know that it is very easy to judge someone's behavior after the fact. I mean my line of work is also very dangerous and when something happens management wants to know why you reacted this way and not that way. These are the same guys that could not do the work, so they left the field and went into management. So, when I climb a 100' utility pole and hold 7K volts in my hand, the last thing I want is the guy on the ground, who couldn't do the work, to tell me how it should be done.

 

IDK, maybe I will pick the Sheriff's brain tonight!

 

It will be interesting to revisit this thread once all the facts are known.

 

Again, this is from the article:

 

Hanlon’s voice is heard on an audio recording taken moments after the shooting to report the shooting, “I don’t know who the guy is. The guy came out with a gun. He wouldn’t put the gun down. He pointed it a Hoeppner. Hoeppner fired.”

Again, this is from the article:

 

Hanlon’s voice is heard on an audio recording taken moments after the shooting to report the shooting, “I don’t know who the guy is. The guy came out with a gun. He wouldn’t put the gun down. He pointed it a Hoeppner. Hoeppner fired.”

 

Once the gun even starts to be raised towards an officer the officer has no choice but to shoot.

I'm saying it was a burglary alarm. If the police found a thief holding a tv they aren't shooting. I think you have to assess the situation before firing. As far as I know or read there was never a report of shots fired by dispatch. Nobody should die if its a petty thief.

I think it's pretty obvious the cop made a serious error in judgment as well. Otherwise an innocent man wouldn't have been murdered.

 

Where did I say that?

 

I'll be waiting....

You've already stated he was murdered. Murder is against the law in all cases, if you're a cop what other option do you have?

I'm saying it was a burglary alarm. If the police found a thief holding a tv they aren't shooting. I think you have to assess the situation before firing. As far as I know or read there was never a report of shots fired by dispatch. Nobody should die if its a petty thief.

 

JA, if the officer's report is correct and the deceased raised his gun he HAD to be shot.