What am I not being objective about? I am giving general information about police protocol, I am not making a judgment. However, what you quoted was a response to Lipton Bash that said quote:

 

In no way shape or form can a murder of a man on his own property not committing a crime be justified. It is the officers job to show restraint. They will have to live with this the rest of their lives and people should be fired and charges should happen.

 

 

 

I said I was to strong and apologize for first post. Doesn't change my concerns for this specific case. It was said it was dark when this happened. Obviously the man knows what a cop looks like and by all accounts so far man was law abiding. If that is the case then an educated guess would be the man would then take his firearm back inside if the cops let presence known.

 

I'm looking at this not only from cops side but the mans. The man thinks his neighbor is being robbed and could be in danger. Then he possibly sees strange people out front with all this commotion. Most peoples first reaction is protect those he love and property .

 

I'll ask the question again what if police entered the home they were called to and the home owner was armed out of fear like this man . The police don't identify themselves and shoot home owner. Should that not be investigated as well?

In this specific case it sounds as if he should have been able to see their police car(s), if he was across the street. At that point he no longer needs to go check on his neighbor and at the very least should have taken his firearm back inside and allowed the police to do their job without being a distraction.

 

All we know is what we can read on this, none of us over 800 miles away is in a position to assign blame or causation.

 

 

This is a tragedy, no matter how any of us look at it. A tragedy for the life lost and for those that took the life as well.

Guru said police would use stealth approach so how would he see them ? Not to mention he was in his driveway.

I said I was to strong and apologize for first post. Doesn't change my concerns for this specific case. It was said it was dark when this happened. Obviously the man knows what a cop looks like and by all accounts so far man was law abiding. If that is the case then an educated guess would be the man would then take his firearm back inside if the cops let presence known.

 

I'm looking at this not only from cops side but the mans. The man thinks his neighbor is being robbed and could be in danger. Then he possibly sees strange people out front with all this commotion. Most peoples first reaction is protect those he love and property .

 

I'll ask the question again what if police entered the home they were called to and the home owner was armed out of fear like this man . The police don't identify themselves and shoot home owner. Should that not be investigated as well?

 

I addressed that, completely different circumstance.

 

And in both cases, the one bolded and the actual case, the shooting needs to be fully investigated.

Guru said police would use stealth approach so how would he see them ? Not to mention he was in his driveway.

 

Stealth approach as in not announcing their position (see Bill Duke/Apollo Creed example). He may or may not have seen their vehicles because the officers should have parked out of sight-line to the actual suspected burglary.

So much speculation about something that just happened. Sounds like you guys will solve it by tomorrow though! :popcorn:

So much speculation about something that just happened. Sounds like you guys will solve it by tomorrow though! :popcorn:

 

I hear what you are saying, kinda like you solving the Cheryl McCafferty case...

One thing that has come up a couple times in this thread is a suggestion that the deceased pointed a gun at FWPD officers. That story does not indicate that anywhere and is a gross assumption made by some, either consciously or subconsciously, perhaps in an effort to excuse the officers in question.

 

This is a sad situation all around, and a product of our shoot first, ask questions later society. And that's on the part of police and Joe Citizen.

One thing that has come up a couple times in this thread is a suggestion that the deceased pointed a gun at FWPD officers. That story does not indicate that anywhere and is a gross assumption made by some, either consciously or subconsciously, perhaps in an effort to excuse the officers in question.

 

This is a sad situation all around, and a product of our shoot first, ask questions later society. And that's on the part of police and Joe Citizen.

 

I am not assuming the deceased pointed his gun at anyone but just having a gun in his hand is more than enough to be a threat.

 

Again everyone, don't ever approach a police officer with a gun in your hand.

I am not assuming the deceased pointed his gun at anyone but just having a gun in his hand is more than enough to be a threat.

 

Again everyone, don't ever approach a police officer with a gun in your hand.

 

Seems like very good advice to me!

I addressed that, completely different circumstance.

 

And in both cases, the one bolded and the actual case, the shooting needs to be fully investigated.

 

Fair enough

I hear what you are saying, kinda like you solving the Cheryl McCafferty case...

 

 

Touche' my friend.

Hey Guru, Could you check out the last paragraph in post 43 where I talk about being told by the concealed carry class I was in that if you are ever in a case to need to use deadly force, even if on the surface it is obvious you were justified, you have a long night and a long legal process to clear yourself.

 

When/if you ever came across an instance where someone did use deadly force to defend themselves and it was obvious he/she was justified and there were witnesses to back them up, what was protocol? I assume the gun would still be confiscated and the person would still have to be taken in for interviews, paperwork and such?

I am not assuming the deceased pointed his gun at anyone but just having a gun in his hand is more than enough to be a threat.

 

Again everyone, don't ever approach a police officer with a gun in your hand.

 

Is holstering the gun sufficient or would you suggest laying the weapon on the ground completely?

One thing that has come up a couple times in this thread is a suggestion that the deceased pointed a gun at FWPD officers. That story does not indicate that anywhere and is a gross assumption made by some, either consciously or subconsciously, perhaps in an effort to excuse the officers in question.

 

This is a sad situation all around, and a product of our shoot first, ask questions later society. And that's on the part of police and Joe Citizen.

No one said the deceased pointed the gun at the officers. What has been said is because none of the actual details have been released, people were suggesting that may have happened, or at least the man did not drop the gun right away.

Is holstering the gun sufficient or would you suggest laying the weapon on the ground completely?

 

If those were my only two choices definitely holster because no one wants a loose gun laying on the ground. I suggest you holster, retreat, put the gun in your house, and speak to the coppers once the coast is clear.