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Greatest Red

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Watching the Cardinal game today and tomorrow they are going to honor Stan the Man. He is the greatest Cardinal player.

 

Who in your eyes is the greatest red? Not your favorite but the greatest.

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Gotta be either Rose, Morgan or Bench. Robinson is an all-time great but did as much or more as an Oriole. Rose is probably the most famous but played several years away and was never considered the best at his position. Morgan is one of the best 2nd Basemen of All-Time and was a league MVP when the Big Red Machine was the best of the best. Bench spent entire career as a Red, was the best at his position during his playing days and arguably no worse than the 2nd best catch of All-Time when he retired.

 

Hard to pick one! My favorite is Bench but not sure if he is the one greatest Red of All-Time, but he is in the conversation.

Pete Rose.

If everyone removes the "Rose" colored glasses, I think it will be clear to see that Bench is the greatest Red of all time. He is considered the greatest catcher of all time. Leads the team in RBI. Won 10 Gold Gloves. 2 time MVP. I love Pete Rose as a player but Bench is the greatest Red.

Pete Rose was the heart and soul of that team. If we can put the ban and the reasons aside, he has a record that will never be broken. Ever.

 

For the record, Joe Morgan is my all-time favorite Red. But I'd have to vote for Pete as the greatest.

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As an outsider, I wonder if Pete can be the greatest since he played several seasons with other teams. I consider Bench to be the best.

The Enquirer's John Erardi and historian Greg Rhodes came up with a "Top 100 Greatest Reds" of all time list. Marty Brennaman helped them narrow down the final 20 spots. This is their top 3.

 

 

1. Joe Morgan, 2B: There is a number that measures a player's all-around baseball ability - at-bat, defensively and on the bases -- and assigns a number to it. (We'll call it the "Q number.'') In 1975, Morgan's Q of “12'' is matched in history for a single season by only Ruth, Hornsby, Mantle, Bonds, Yastrzemski, and Gehrig. In four of five seasons from 1972 through 1976, Morgan had the highest Q in baseball four times (was second to teammate George Foster the other), further ranking him among greats like Mays, Cobb, Wagner, Willliams, Musial, Hornsby, Schmidt, Pujols and Rodriguez. NL MVP (1975-76) on what was one of the five greatest teams of all-time. All-time Reds stolen base leader (406). Widely regarded as the greatest all-around second baseman in “peak value" and a .415 lifetime on-base percentage.

 

T2. Johnny Bench, C: NL MVP, 1970, 72. Led majors in HR twice and RBI three times. Most postseason games by a Red (45). Major league record for HR as a catcher (327) when enshrined in Reds' Hall. (1986). 14-time All-Star, 10 Gold Gloves. Rookie of the Year, 1968

 

T2. Pete Rose, 1B-2B-3B-OF: All-Star in 12 of his first 16 seasons as a Red, leading the league six times in hits, 4 times in doubles and runs, and winning 3 batting crowns. NL MVP, 1973. Holds club record for games, hits, runs, doubles, walks and most soap detergent used to get his uniform clean.

When you factor in all 3 phases of the game, batting, defense and base running, it is hard to argue against the case made for Morgan above.

When you factor in all 3 phases of the game, batting, defense and base running, it is hard to argue against the case made for Morgan above.

Length of time as a Red is the only thing I would have against Joe Morgan as ATB Red. Only 8 out of 21 seasons with the Reds, hurts him IMO...that said he was a stud and IMO does deserve consideration.

Think about this infield of all time greats:

 

C Bench

1B Perez

2B Morgan

SS Larkin

3B Rose (I know that's a stretch, but ...)

 

I wonder how that would compare to other teams.

Think about this infield of all time greats:

 

C Bench

1B Perez

2B Morgan

SS Larkin

3B Rose (I know that's a stretch, but ...)

 

I wonder how that would compare to other teams.

"My Prediction...PAIN!!!"
Think about this infield of all time greats:

 

C Bench

1B Perez

2B Morgan

SS Larkin

3B Rose (I know that's a stretch, but ...)

 

I wonder how that would compare to other teams.

Seriously even with Concepcion in at SS, that would arguably be the best infield in history. All on the same team, at the same time.

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