My youngest sister is a July 15 1997 Baby and is a Sophomore will be turning 16, In July 2013 to start her Junior year of school at Beechwood. Doesn't play sport and stared school on time.

From what I've heard, most of the St Agnes parents hold their kids back in kindergarten...once at ft wright elementary for free then on to st Agnes.

 

Schuh and both Moeves boys are a year older/hold backs.

 

This is comical. Who specifically do you know that has deliberately held their kids back for sports reasons?

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This is comical. Who specifically do you know that has deliberately held their kids back for sports reasons?

 

Where did I state parents there do it for that reason?? I said parents at St Agnes have done that for different reasons. I was going to let it go, but my information comes from someone who is close to a teacher there who has a masters in early childhood development and is apart of the process and recommendation of a child being held back for various reasons.

 

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I stated I don't know of any parent who would hold a kid back before 5th or 6th grade for athletic purposes only. A lot of times, kids just need an extra year of maturation both physically and mentally. Nate Edmondson falls in this category, as does Austin Hill.

Absolutely. I graduated high school at 17 years old with a July birthday. I was on time by all accounts. Started kindergarten at 5. Never repeated a grade.

 

Same here playa, shouldve seen my guns the winter I was 18. LOL

 

Im with Gurú, if you turn 16 before soph, 17 before JR or 18 before Sr then to me you are a year older than likely 80% of the kids you are playing against in your grade. In most of these boys cases it doesnt matter once you get to HS since they are simply excelling for a longer amount of time, see Hatton, Schu, Bolden, etc. But at a younger age, especially Middle School the difference is quite evident per Henry Steele's post.

 

Same here playa, shouldve seen my guns the winter I was 18. LOL

 

Im with Gurú, if you turn 16 before soph, 17 before JR or 18 before Sr then to me you are a year older than likely 80% of the kids you are playing against in your grade. In most of these boys cases it doesnt matter once you get to HS since they are simply excelling for a longer amount of time, see Hatton, Schu, Bolden, etc. But at a younger age, especially Middle School the difference is quite evident per Henry Steele's post.

 

Even worse, I didn't turn 18 until September. A month after I started college.

Anyone else think young Mr. Schu should reclassify? With a 28 on his ACT as a Frosh, I'd think he's pretty much ready for college after the next school year and I'm sure would have no problem getting an Academic Scholarship. The other schools in the 35 District would appreciate not seeing him on the court in 2 years. LOL

I as well am confused by the "choice" for being born in July ? If you are born before October you are suppose to be in one grade? I never heard of the choice .

 

It is a choice, in that there is nothing compulsory about enrolling your child in kindergarten if they turn 5 before October 1. It is completely up to the parents.

 

Funny thing about "choice" is that now, it is always, it seems, about a parent making a "choice" to hold their kids back for athletic reasons. In my world, when I was in school the more common choice was whether or not to send kids to school early, or to skip a grade or to send them to a college prep school (skipping 2 grades). I realize that was only my little nook of the world, but that "choice" was generally made based upon a parent's wanting to ensure an optimal ACADEMIC experience for their children, instead of an optimal ATHLETIC experience. It seems to me like too many parents have bought into the mentality of preparing for college athletics, instead of preparing for college.

 

I suppose I'm in the minority, but I still consider it a tremendous longshot to get an education paid for because you play a sport well. Hooray for all those that it happens to, but for most of us it makes more sense to be more concerned with ACT scoring instead of PPG scoring.

Just for a little perspective, when I retired from high school coaching and began teaching at the college level, I noticed immediately that about half my entering freshmen were 17 on their first day of college, and many of them had birthdays in October, November and December. But none of the athletes were in this half. They were either 19 on their first day of college, or 18 turning 19 in September, October or November. So apparently the average TOP athlete is at least 12 and often 24 months older than the kids they're going to school with. For example, a recent article revealed that Shabazz at UCLA was held back at the start of school so he played his entire grade school, middle school and high school career two years older than the kids he was playing against. Since I noticed this, I've been looking a little more carefully at players I see at high school games I attend, and asking lots of questions. I think it would be interesting for someone to do a research paper on the age distribution among athletes, particularly in football and basketball. I could hypothesize that the more successful players tend to be older. This does not mean they're not gifted athletes. But it would seem to be very difficult for an "average" kid to be going out for a team and successfully competing against an opponent 12 to 24 months older who also has at least some athleticism. The difference between age 25 and 27 might not be significant, but the difference between 15 and 17 is enormous.

A few things:

 

1. Dixie will be better than some of you guys are giving them credit for. Sophomore class is very solid and with Drew Moore returning, they add a 6'4 kid that is explosive and can play anywhere on the floor.

 

2. Huntington Prep was the team that contacted Brandon. Their shooting guard went down and they called him wanting him to come to Huntington in December. He would've had to quit, sit out a week and a half and then be able to play, so he said no. At Huntington Prep, a host family takes care of you and any needs you have. First class experience.

 

3. Agree if Hatton goes anywhere, it'd be prep school. Something a lot of you are overlooking, however, is that it isn't that easy for Brandon. If he could just leave for basketball and still come back to go to prom and graduate with the kids he's been with since 7th grade, the chances of seeing him somewhere would probably be more likely but he really likes Dixie.

 

4. When I was at the Travelers practice, I had a conversation with Scott Hatton...I'd be surprised if BHatt ends up anywhere else next year.

 

5. As far as colleges go, there has been a different thing every year that people have tried to pick out about Brandon's game. Trust me when I say, he hears the criticism and that fuels him. He will be doing a lot of training this summer both on and off the court and I'd be willing to bet he lands somewhere not mentioned in this thread. I know Kansas State has expressed interest in him and called his AAU coach about him. Brandon is more athletic than you guys are giving him credit for. Dude was throwing down some nasty dunks in practice last Sunday with ease. Even threw one down with two hands off a drop step. Don't be fooled by the way he is built in his lower body. Kid is athletic.

 

Drew more will help dixie. He is not 6'4 more around 6'2. He will not help Dixie in the post.

Drew more will help dixie. He is not 6'4 more around 6'2. He will not help Dixie in the post.

 

Agree at the post position..

But will help at the PG play which is much needed..

Just for a little perspective, when I retired from high school coaching and began teaching at the college level, I noticed immediately that about half my entering freshmen were 17 on their first day of college, and many of them had birthdays in October, November and December. But none of the athletes were in this half. They were either 19 on their first day of college, or 18 turning 19 in September, October or November. So apparently the average TOP athlete is at least 12 and often 24 months older than the kids they're going to school with. For example, a recent article revealed that Shabazz at UCLA was held back at the start of school so he played his entire grade school, middle school and high school career two years older than the kids he was playing against. Since I noticed this, I've been looking a little more carefully at players I see at high school games I attend, and asking lots of questions. I think it would be interesting for someone to do a research paper on the age distribution among athletes, particularly in football and basketball. I could hypothesize that the more successful players tend to be older. This does not mean they're not gifted athletes. But it would seem to be very difficult for an "average" kid to be going out for a team and successfully competing against an opponent 12 to 24 months older who also has at least some athleticism. The difference between age 25 and 27 might not be significant, but the difference between 15 and 17 is enormous.

 

I'd love to see a study done on this. My oldest son was the youngest player amongst his peers in the same grade on his basketball team and he enjoyed a great high school career and was redshirted his first year in college. My wife and I have wondered on more than one occassion if we should have held him back for athletic reasons like others on his team were at some point. Ultimately there are pros and cons for both and while we don't regret not holding him back(April birthday) we do both think he would be more mature, have better grades, be more socially responsible and probably enjoyed even more success on the court. I think in the long run the benefits of holding a kid back for whatever reason often outweigh the negatives.

Agree at the post position..

But will help at the PG play which is much needed..

 

He would not play point... and he is closer to 6'4"

I'd love to see a study done on this. My oldest son was the youngest player amongst his peers in the same grade on his basketball team and he enjoyed a great high school career and was redshirted his first year in college. My wife and I have wondered on more than one occassion if we should have held him back for athletic reasons like others on his team were at some point. Ultimately there are pros and cons for both and while we don't regret not holding him back(April birthday) we do both think he would be more mature, have better grades, be more socially responsible and probably enjoyed even more success on the court. I think in the long run the benefits of holding a kid back for whatever reason often outweigh the negatives.

 

I read a stat somewhere that said like 80% or (something extremely high) of professional athletes were held back in school.

 

I'm sure you can google it but you get the point.

Any other players' birthdays we need to delve into?

Any other players' birthdays we need to delve into?

 

The Harrison Twins. I heard they weren't twins until the 6th grade when the 'older' twin was held back.