Absolutely not true. Murder is classified in our judicial system. Murder 1, Murder 2, no reason to think the punishment couldn't bear some sort of category on it's own as well.

 

No argument unless it's a sentence that is very light as compared to any murder charge.

 

However, if one is to believe this is a form of murder how could it not be the worst type of premeditated murder?

We don't belive in birth control, as in the pill, condoms, vasectomy etc. Abstinance or Natural Family Planning are acceptable.

 

Not to get graphic here, but it's a legitimate question (or, so I feel), what about other forms of birth control?

 

In short, for those wondering (although, I'm sure there arent many that are), but the "P & P" Method?

No argument unless it's a sentence that is very light as compared to any murder charge.

 

However, if one is to believe this is a form of murder how could it not be the worst type of premeditated murder?

 

Good point about premeditation. I think if it were made into a murder charge, the lesser charge would be used on some sort of a temporary insanity-esque reasoning.

Not to get graphic here, but it's a legitimate question (or, so I feel), what about other forms of birth control?

 

In short, for those wondering (although, I'm sure there arent many that are), but the "P & P" Method?

 

Assuming P & P refers to withdrawal/coitus interruptus, the Catholic Church's belief is that it is wrong. That goes back to the book of Genesis (Gen 38:8-10). It willfully removes the life-giving nature of sex - as do condoms.

The fact is, much of the "cover up" portion of this scandal took place 25 years ago or more. The vast majority of those bishops are dead and gone, and obviously cannot be prosecuted. Since that time, policies in the Catholic diocese of the world, and particularly in the US, have changed vastly. Priests are removed from their duties simply following an accusation - whether or not that accusation is legitimate. Then the accusation is researched and the priest is either permanently removed from his duties and/or defrocked, or he is allowed back into his position as a priest if the accusations are proved false. And there ARE false accusations...many of them. I can think of one instance in particular with a priest that I know personally who was accused of abuse and removed from his duties, only to find out a year later that the accusation was based on a claim by an individual whose psychiatrist "uncovered his repressed memories of being abused" while under hypnosis. The psychiatrist later admitted to completely planting the false memory in his patient's head. Fortunately, the priest's good name was cleared and he was brought back to his ministry.

 

As for doling out millions to "buy silence", if I'm not mistaken, the US Conference Of Catholic Bishops came out in 2002 stating that there would be no gag orders requested by the Catholic Church in abuse cases, and that all previous gag orders would be negotiated to be lifted.

If I'm not mistaken, Finn's cover-up occurred two years after new get-tough rules were put in place in K.C. Yet he still remains in power. (Only the Vatican can remove him.)

 

As far as gag orders and such: Why did the L.A. diocese just recently object to the release of the thousands of pages of documents detailing the extent of the abuse problem in Southern California?

 

Although Cardinal Mahony (retired) officially was rebuked by the current L.A. archbishop, he still gets to go to Rome to vote for the new pope and still gets to celebrate mass. Another slap on the wrist.

 

Illinois judge Anne Burke and former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating -- who served a decade ago on the Bishops Review Board (along with Northern Kentuckian Bill Burleigh) -- have been critical of the good ol' boy network calling the shots. "Nothing has changed in 10 years," Judge Burke was quoted as saying in an article a few years ago.

 

Actually, one could change "10 years" to "1,000 years" and the quote would still be accurate.

The fact is, much of the "cover up" portion of this scandal took place 25 years ago or more. The vast majority of those bishops are dead and gone, and obviously cannot be prosecuted. Since that time, policies in the Catholic diocese of the world, and particularly in the US, have changed vastly. Priests are removed from their duties simply following an accusation - whether or not that accusation is legitimate. Then the accusation is researched and the priest is either permanently removed from his duties and/or defrocked, or he is allowed back into his position as a priest if the accusations are proved false. And there ARE false accusations...many of them. I can think of one instance in particular with a priest that I know personally who was accused of abuse and removed from his duties, only to find out a year later that the accusation was based on a claim by an individual whose psychiatrist "uncovered his repressed memories of being abused" while under hypnosis. The psychiatrist later admitted to completely planting the false memory in his patient's head. Fortunately, the priest's good name was cleared and he was brought back to his ministry.

 

As for doling out millions to "buy silence", if I'm not mistaken, the US Conference Of Catholic Bishops came out in 2002 stating that there would be no gag orders requested by the Catholic Church in abuse cases, and that all previous gag orders would be negotiated to be lifted.

I read recently that the total bill in the Diocese of Covington to settle the abuse cases was $120 million. A third of that total came from the sale of the Marydale property.

 

So here's my question to you based on your moniker: How much of this remaining $80 million is being paid for by higher tuition rates at CovCath, NewCath, Notre Dame et al.?

 

In short, for those wondering (although, I'm sure there arent many that are), but the "P & P" Method?

 

That's how my aunt ended up with 12 kids.

No argument unless it's a sentence that is very light as compared to any murder charge.

 

However, if one is to believe this is a form of murder how could it not be the worst type of premeditated murder?

I'm not disagreeing with you there. My point is that it can certainly be doled out in measure to some degree. But there should be some punishment whatever degree would be a hot topic certainly.

If I'm not mistaken, Finn's cover-up occurred two years after new get-tough rules were put in place in K.C. Yet he still remains in power. (Only the Vatican can remove him.)

 

As far as gag orders and such: Why did the L.A. diocese just recently object to the release of the thousands of pages of documents detailing the extent of the abuse problem in Southern California?

 

Although Cardinal Mahony (retired) officially was rebuked by the current L.A. archbishop, he still gets to go to Rome to vote for the new pope and still gets to celebrate mass. Another slap on the wrist.

 

Illinois judge Anne Burke and former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating -- who served a decade ago on the Bishops Review Board (along with Northern Kentuckian Bill Burleigh) -- have been critical of the good ol' boy network calling the shots. "Nothing has changed in 10 years," Judge Burke was quoted as saying in an article a few years ago.

 

Actually, one could change "10 years" to "1,000 years" and the quote would still be accurate.

 

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles has long been at odds with the USCCB. I know that in 2005 they initially were asking for a gag order (3 years after the USCCB spoke saying they would not support them in abuse cases), but there gladly was no gag order issued in the case. Regardless, I believe that most of their issues were tied primarily to retired Cardinal Mahoney, whose actions have been very publicly rebuked by their new Archbishop Gomez. However, Gomez does not have the ability to remove Mahoney's ability to celebrate mass, as that can only be done by the Vatican. Also, although I disagree with his right to participate in the Conclave, that is not my call to make...and regarless, lo and behold, the Catholic Church has still ended up with a good Pope, with Mahoney involved in the voting and all.

 

As for Bishop Finn, clearly he was in the wrong. I, for one, am hoping that the Vatican will take his case back under review following the installation of Pope Francis.

 

I read recently that the total bill in the Diocese of Covington to settle the abuse cases was $120 million. A third of that total came from the sale of the Marydale property.

 

So here's my question to you based on your moniker: How much of this remaining $80 million is being paid for by higher tuition rates at CovCath, NewCath, Notre Dame et al.?

 

The raise in tuition rates at Cov Cath, New Cath, Notre Dame, and Covington Latin School is related to the renovations, additions, and completely new construction projects taking place at the schools - not to the settlement. The funds for the settlement have been raised primarily through the liquidation of diocesan properties (including Marydale), money from all of the parish's diocesan contributions from the annual appeal, and other diocesan funds. Regardless, what matter is it to you in how the diocese pays its retribution? The diocese of Covington is making good on its settlement.

That's how my aunt ended up with 12 kids.

 

You sure she understood the concept?

You sure she understood the concept?

 

 

Ti..tim....timing was off a bit.

Ti..tim....timing was off a bit.

 

:clap:

Ti..tim....timing was off a bit.

 

Well done.

Regardless, what matter is it to you in how the diocese pays its retribution? The diocese of Covington is making good on its settlement.

 

The issue isn't whether the diocese is "making good" on its $120 million settlement. The issue is how many inner-city schools are not being funded, how many works of Catholic charity are being abandoned, how many hard-working middle-class families are being forced to pay more to send their kids to Catholic schools because of this shameful diversion of tens of millions of dollars?

 

And speaking of shameful, new headlines today on the scandal involving Cardinal Keith O'Brien, head of the church in Scotland.

Good question. Not sure. Never had to actually make that determination.

 

Isn't that the crux of the abortion issue? The fact is you either are or are not pregnant. You either have a living being inside of you or you don't. You are conceived. Period. The rest is a joke of word play that is heinous in my opinion.