I think 4A is very balanced...if you take X and Trinity out. The numbers are alot more even also without them.

...draw your own conclusions about why 4A is continually dominated by only 3 or 4 schools and NO school with under 800 boys EVER even makes it to the 4A state finals!

 

.... . . great point. Makes the whole "if the public schools would just work harder" argument hard to swallow' date=' maybe even obsurd. Facts are facts, and gives some pretty hard evidence that there is not a level playing field, IMO of course. [/quote']

 

True to a point...but I will add, there are several PUBLIC schools with a pretty large male enrollment too.

 

MY point was that in 4A alone, the boys disparity top-to-bottom between the largest and smallest is INCREDIBLY large compared to the other classes.

 

There are about 16 schools -- public AND private -- in 4A that have more than 800 boys to choose from. There are also about 26 schools in 4A that have fewer than 600 boys to choose from.

 

So even the "smaller" of the 'big boys' in 4A (those with 800 boys or more--MOST of them public) still get a "disparity factor" of greater than 200 against almost HALF of the schools in their class.

 

200 would be quite a bit bigger than the "disparity factor" between ANY of the other 3 classes!

I think 4A is very balanced...if you take X and Trinity out.

I've been saying that for years.

I think 4A is very balanced...if you take X and Trinity out. The numbers are alot more even also without them.

 

With X and Trinity out, 4A would look like this top-to-bottom:

 

Largest: Dunbar (avg: 2011 total) Boys: approx. 1,006

* There would be TWELVE other schools with more than 800 boys to choose from.

 

Smallest: Oldham Co. (avg. 1,025 total) Boys: approx. 512

 

STILL a disparity from top-to-bottom of almost 500 boys to choose from!!!

 

...and all the other classes would have a disparity less than 200.

 

This isn't a "public/private" thing...it's a NUMBERS thing (which is SUPPOSED to be what having classes is about in the first place).

 

The answer? Make a class set-up that answers the DISPARITY inequities. No system will ever COMPLETELY solve it, but the way it is now is just about as FAR from equitable as it could be.

 

But, with a little more effort on behalf of those in charge, and making the disparity in each class as EQUITABLE AS POSSIBLE was the prevailing priority (but alas, I have been told it is not), it could be a lot better than it is.

With X and Trinity out, 4A would look like this top-to-bottom:

 

Largest: Dunbar (avg: 2011 total) Boys: approx. 1,006

* There would be TWELVE other schools with more than 800 boys to choose from.

 

Smallest: Oldham Co. (avg. 1,025 total) Boys: approx. 512

 

STILL a disparity from top-to-bottom of almost 500 boys to choose from!!!

 

...and all the other classes would have a disparity less than 200.

But on an average 1A is 3 to 1....2A about 3 to 2 ....3A about 4 to 3 and 4A with the X and T 3 to 1 without 2 to 1. So, 1A has the biggest disparity.

But on an average 1A is 3 to 1....2A about 3 to 2 ....3A about 4 to 3 and 4A with the X and T 3 to 1 without 2 to 1. So, 1A has the biggest disparity.

 

True...IF factoring out X and T.

 

But that ISN'T going to happen.

 

So 1A and 4A are about the same.

 

Which is why I think the VERY smallest 1A schools SHOULD be allowed to compete against other schools with similar number-limitations...like the tried 8-man Football League. Just as the very LARGEST 4A schools with similar number-advantages should have to compete only against each other (and any other smaller school that would WANT to compete with them).

I like the fact that this discussion is based on the numbers. I don't think that enough people are willing to talk about what the problem is without making it a personal thing between public and private. To me, it seems more about numbers than letters.

Let's make sure we keep the discussion on alignment issues and not the public/private debate. If we head in that direction, we'll need to move this thread over to that forum - Thanks guys. :thumb:

So based on the argument some are making, would going to the proposed six classes help in fixing the disparity in numbers? Would the six classes be equally divided or would it be based on a numbers equity type solution. Just curious as I don't know the particulars of how they proposed to split the classes into six.

So based on the argument some are making, would going to the proposed six classes help in fixing the disparity in numbers? Would the six classes be equally divided or would it be based on a numbers equity type solution. Just curious as I don't know the particulars of how they proposed to split the classes into six.

 

 

IMO, if a move to six classes was initiated, it would need to be based upon a numbers equity type calculation. As population shifts occur, and/or new schools are opened or schools are consolidated, there needs to be a frequent evaluation of those factors. In addition, if the 6A includes Trinity & X, I agree that other schools that want to "play up" should be included. I don't know...maybe something like an "Open Class".

IMO, if a move to six classes was initiated, it would need to be based upon a numbers equity type calculation. As population shifts occur, and/or new schools are opened or schools are consolidated, there needs to be a frequent evaluation of those factors. In addition, if the 6A includes Trinity & X, I agree that other schools that want to "play up" should be included. I don't know...maybe something like an "Open Class".

While that sounds noble. I don't know of too many who would actually volunteer to play up. It would have to be specific. I don't see this as an issue that is going to change in the near future either, so I would love to see a real solution.

While that sounds noble. I don't know of too many who would actually volunteer to play up. It would have to be specific. I don't see this as an issue that is going to change in the near future either, so I would love to see a real solution.

I know for certain that Highlands would. I'm sure there are others.

I know for certain that Highlands would. I'm sure there are others.

While that sounds good on paper, let a title draught hit Ft. Thomas and I doubt they will be so keen to play up. My point is that T and X will still dominate the elite of whatever bracket they are put in, the rest of the schools IMO would shy away if not initially then in the long run. Then where would we be? With X, T and a very few others in 6A. Just say that I in my noble cause to play up put my school in the upper class where I routinely loose and then lesser teams in my area are excelling in there proper sized class. Who do you think will loose there job and whose team do you think will try and change its classification?

While that sounds good on paper, let a title draught hit Ft. Thomas and I doubt they will be so keen to play up. My point is that T and X will still dominate the elite of whatever bracket they are put in, the rest of the schools IMO would shy away if not initially then in the long run. Then where would we be? With X, T and a very few others in 6A. Just say that I in my noble cause to play up put my school in the upper class where I routinely loose and then lesser teams in my area are excelling in there proper sized class. Who do you think will loose there job and whose team do you think will try and change its classification?

We've had droughts. They would still play up. And nobody would lose their job; because playing the best is expected -- win or lose.

Man, I hope we don't go to 6 classes. It really devalues winning a state championship in my opinion. I do think the existing 4 classes needs to be divided, not upon an even number of schools in each class, but rather an equal level of size disparity. In other words divide the schools so that the disparity of boys in each level is the same for all levels. For example: in all classes, the largest school would not exceed the smallest school by more than 150 percent or what ever it worked out to be. In some classes there may be only 30 schools and in other classes there could be 65 schools. This will surely increase travel time and expense for some, but could reduce it for others.