I think the NRA's response clearly shows they are out of touch with reality.

Well, I am sure that there could be multiple definitions. How about we start with those that allow easy access to their weapons and/or ammunition by those that should not have access to it? (Children, mentally unstable, those untrained in how to use the weapon, etc.)

 

What do we do? Have government inspectors come in to ensure the weapons are stored properly? Not sure how we would monitor this. Just wanting to know your ideas.

 

There are irresponsible gun owners, not denying it. However, it is a very small percentage. We have irresponsible pill users who do not store their prescriptions properly, and with KY being number six on the overdose list regarding medications, its a bigger factor in the state of Kentucky in deaths than guns are. I don't think the State or any amount of law will ever solve the problems.

 

If we abolished gun free zones, its not like every teacher would carry a gun just because it would be legal for them to do so. In KY, everyone over 18 can openly carry a handgun. I go about my business quite often in Kentucky and very rarely see people open carry.

 

Just because the law does or does not allow people to do certain things, it really has no bearing on an individuals thought process.

I think the NRA's response clearly shows they are out of touch with reality.

What reality is that they are out of touch with, if they are it seems as if many BGPers are too...please explain.

Vigilante USA .

How is a guard protecting a school in any way "Vigilante USA"?

For what it is worth there are many many schools already with armed guards or School Resource Officers (actual Police officers). How is adding more of something already in place an issue with anyone? I have never seen anyone complaining about schools having Officers on campus in the past, but the mere suggestion of adding addition trained professionals and some of you revert to your political talking points. Is this a bad idea just because the NRA suggested it?

What do we do? Have government inspectors come in to ensure the weapons are stored properly? Not sure how we would monitor this. Just wanting to know your ideas.

 

There are irresponsible gun owners, not denying it. However, it is a very small percentage. We have irresponsible pill users who do not store their prescriptions properly, and with KY being number six on the overdose list regarding medications, its a bigger factor in the state of Kentucky in deaths than guns are. I don't think the State or any amount of law will ever solve the problems.

 

If we abolished gun free zones, its not like every teacher would carry a gun just because it would be legal for them to do so. In KY, everyone over 18 can openly carry a handgun. I go about my business quite often in Kentucky and very rarely see people open carry.

 

Just because the law does or does not allow people to do certain things, it really has no bearing on an individuals thought process.

 

I want to have a real conversation about the issues at hand. I'm all for security guards in every school. As a teacher, I'm open to the idea of "packing" myself. But there are many responsible gun owners like myself that want more put in place to keep guns out of the hands to those that give the rest of us a bad name. Gun ownership should not just be a right, it should be a responsibility.

To me it doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. It seems to be about the same response that we had to 9-11. After that tragedy we started having armed Air Marshall on the planes. So far it seems like it has worked. I'm not a gun owner and a gun ban would really not affect me at all, but it is naive to think that banning guns will prevent this type of thing from happening in the future.

For what it is worth there are many many schools already with armed guards or School Resource Officers (actual Police officers). How is adding more of something already in place an issue with anyone? I have never seen anyone complaining about schools having Officers on campus in the past, but the mere suggestion of adding addition trained professionals and some of you revert to your political talking points. Is this a bad idea just because the NRA suggested it?

 

No, its a bad idea because of the cost. If they really are serious about it, hiw about they pony up the cost, instead of lobbying politicians? I am a gun owner, a registered Republican, a teacher, and a father to a five and six year old. I'm about as close to the issue as you can get, and his idea is idiotic. So is arming teachers. Get the wackos off the street, and get rid of assault rifles. I think that's a good start.

No, its a bad idea because of the cost. If they really are serious about it, hiw about they pony up the cost, instead of lobbying politicians? I am a gun owner, a registered Republican, a teacher, and a father to a five and six year old. I'm about as close to the issue as you can get, and his idea is idiotic. So is arming teachers. Get the wackos off the street, and get rid of assault rifles. I think that's a good start.

 

 

What difference does it make if its an assault rifle or 2 handguns and a pump action shotgun if its a crime for any other law abiding citizen, like a teacher, to carry any firearm?

 

Anyone whom society should entrusts with the care*and instruction of our children should also be empowered to defend tjose children from physical harm.

 

Lile I said, most teachers, I'm sure, will not do this. But why not at least empower them? What are the drawbacks? A psycho teacher goes off and shoots children? Pretty sure he will do thay regardless.

I want to have a real conversation about the issues at hand. I'm all for security guards in every school. As a teacher, I'm open to the idea of "packing" myself. But there are many responsible gun owners like myself that want more put in place to keep guns out of the hands to those that give the rest of us a bad name. Gun ownership should not just be a right, it should be a responsibility.

 

 

Parents need to start being parents again. Disciplining their children and seeking help where needed.

 

All the laws were in place to stop this. You can't outlaw crazy and unfortunately we can't make laws to make people take responsibility for anything anymore. These shooting are not about guns, they are about people out of touch with reality.

No, its a bad idea because of the cost. If they really are serious about it, hiw about they pony up the cost, instead of lobbying politicians? I am a gun owner, a registered Republican, a teacher, and a father to a five and six year old. I'm about as close to the issue as you can get, and his idea is idiotic. So is arming teachers. Get the wackos off the street, and get rid of assault rifles. I think that's a good start.

 

Your avatar has a ray gun. Its like a space assault rifle. Whats up with that? You better get rid of your avatar.

What difference does it make if its an assault rifle or 2 handguns and a pump action shotgun if its a crime for any other law abiding citizen, like a teacher, to carry any firearm?

 

Anyone whom society should entrusts with the care*and instruction of our children should also be empowered to defend tjose children from physical harm.

 

Lile I said, most teachers, I'm sure, will not do this. But why not at least empower them? What are the drawbacks? A psycho teacher goes off and shoots children? Pretty sure he will do thay regardless.

 

So, now on top of everything teachers are responsible for, you want to throw this on them as well? It's a bad idea. Am I going to carry a gun on my hip all day? Lock it up on a drawer, or closet? Worry about a kid getting ahold of it? Worry about a teacher leaving it out in my kids classrooms? Fire a teacher for doing something like that, when we didn't sign up for it in the first place? Teachers aren't trained to carry weapons, and training them would be another enormous cost. Two hand guns and a pump action shotgun are a whole lot harder to carry around while you're having target practice than a single assault rifle with a 30 round clip.

Your avatar has a ray gun. Its like a space assault rifle. Whats up with that? You better get rid of your avatar.

 

That's smart. I'm trying to figure out how to protect my kids, and you're wise cracking. It shows your level of ability to carry on an intelligent conversation.

No, its a bad idea because of the cost. If they really are serious about it, hiw about they pony up the cost, instead of lobbying politicians? I am a gun owner, a registered Republican, a teacher, and a father to a five and six year old. I'm about as close to the issue as you can get, and his idea is idiotic. So is arming teachers. Get the wackos off the street, and get rid of assault rifles. I think that's a good start.

I agree, If you get the wackos off of the streets then it wouldn't matter what firearms were available.

 

NRA is offering to train anyone that needs it, NRA membership is around 4 million out of a US population of over 311 million. Don't think they could or should be expected to pay this entire bill. How about cutting foreign aid to 3 or 4 of the countries that hate the USA anyway and just use that money.

Since 1998, the NRA has spent $28.2 million on lobbying in Washington and employed between 16 and 35 lobbyists in any given year. The group has doled out more than $3.3 million in campaign contributions and $44 million on independent efforts to support its favored candidates in the last three federal elections. These are not large numbers.

Don't think that would be enough to pay for this program nation wide.

 

 

Since you are a teacher why don't you get the NEA to quit lobbying and help pay for security of their dues paying members...

Because unions cannot charge non-members for political spending, each year NEA must compute what portion of its spending is related to collective bargaining and services, and what portion is not. This percentage varies year-to-year, but by NEA’s own computation the non-chargeable portion is around 40 percent. So the broadest interpretation of NEA’s “political” spending would be $143 million annually.

How Much Does NEA Spend on Politics? « The Greenroom and that does not include the last two years.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but if they're going to have an armed guard(which I think is a great solution) then why not do it the way they do with Air Marshalls and have them in plain clothes. Serving as a secondary deterrent, any would be shooters would know that not only is the school protected by someone that's armed but they're hard to spot and or isolate unless you've been told in advance who they are.