You have to jump through so many hoops and red tape to get the ID and there is not enough time to accommodate over 1,000,000 requests before November. See mcpapa's post #15 and Randy's post #23. That's my beef with this issue. I am all for voter ID and have said so many times. The timing of the enforcement of this new law stinks to high heaven.

 

I think the "red tape" is being overblown here. This has been brewing for months, not something that just popped up the past couple of weeks. The number that is still being kicked around by those against this is the amount of people without a driver's license, which is not required.

 

I still contend if one is acknowledging there is a problem and it should be required to have an id, but the timing is just not right, you are equally as guilty as the other side in protecting your candidate. To me you are either for it, or you are against it all together.

You will have to remind me again just how many cases of fraud we are talking about.

 

I keep hearing that the number of PA voters without the newly prescribed form of identification is about three quarters of a million.

 

ANYONE who thinks that this is something other than partisan politics has their head in the sand.

How many cases of fraud do we need before it's ok for reform?

I will ask again. How many cases of proven fraud do we need before it is justified?

 

I asked first.

 

I've asked this very question in several threads and have yet to receive an answer but I'll play. Yes

Is this thing on?

Is this thing on?

 

The crickets are deafening....:lol:

You have to jump through so many hoops and red tape to get the ID and there is not enough time to accommodate over 1,000,000 requests before November. See mcpapa's post #15 and Randy's post #23. That's my beef with this issue. I am all for voter ID and have said so many times. The timing of the enforcement of this new law stinks to high heaven.

 

Hoops and red tape? Such as paying a very minimal charge? It's not that difficult, it would take a couple hours of someone's day. If they can't put in that kind of time, then they obviously don't really care about voting.

Hoops and red tape? Such as paying a very minimal charge? It's not that difficult, it would take a couple hours of someone's day. If they can't put in that kind of time, then they obviously don't really care about voting.

 

I will say if one does not possess a valid voting id, I am fine with issuing them one for free as it is a right. Though I do not think many would take advantage of it because frankly I do not think there are near the number of people without proper id that many believe there are.

This law is preventing no innocent person from voting. If they really want to vote they can and will.

I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath.

An interesting analysis of the new requirements from (gasp) The National Review.

 

Proponents of voter ID laws often say the requirement is not onerous because state-issued photo ID is available at no charge. But in all restrictive ID states except South Carolina, even if an eligible voter does not have to pay for the ID itself, he or she must provide supporting documentation — such as a birth certificate or a naturalization certificate — to obtain a state-issued photo ID suitable for voting. These records can be very costly.

An official copy of a birth certificate can cost anywhere from $15 to $30, depending on the state. The fees for a new passport or to renew a passport are $135 and $110, respectively. The price of a replacement naturalization certificate or certificate of citizenship is $345.

Married women who have changed their surname face an additional burden: They may need to present a marriage license with their current name to obtain a photo ID. Only 48 percent of voting-age American women who have ready access to their birth certificate have their current name on it. Fees for official copies of marriage licenses range from $5 to $40.Thus, a married woman who does not have a certified copy of her birth certificate and marriage license could easily spend $30 to $70 acquiring the documents necessary to obtain a photo ID.

But even these costs pale in comparison to the potential costs for people who were never issued birth certificates or whose birth certificates contain significant errors with respect to their race, name, or other key identifiers. These individuals often must obtain other official records, such as their school attendance records, spouse’s documentation, or childhood documentation. Each document carries with it separate costs and administrative processes.

 

In my view, this isn’t a case against ID requirements as such. Rather, it is a case for implementing ID requirements over a long enough period of time that various bureaucracies can accommodate hard cases.

 

The central problem with the Pennsylvania voter ID law is that it expects too much from Pennsylvania’s state government and from the potentially large number of Pennsylvania voters who do not have proper identification in too short a timeframe.

 

 

Further Thoughts on Voter ID in Light of the Pennsylvania Decision - By Reihan Salam - The Agenda - National Review Online

 

Attention!!!! Attention!!!!!

 

 

mcpapa's post contains hoops and red tape that people need to go through between now and November. Why is no one who is happy with the new voter ID law addressing this one and only issue I have with how the voter ID law was passed? I can't stress enough that I am for voter ID. I just think the timing of the implementation stinks. mcpapa's above post says why.

I've always had to show an ID to vote since I moved to Ohio. I just assumed it was required everywhere. What's the big deal?

I still don't see why we can't pass a law that a percentage of both candidates campaign fund be used to see to it that those the ID law would burden can be issued an ID. It can be overseen by a bipartisan effort on a state and local level. Why does government always have to make things harder then they need to be?

If you can jump that big fence on the Mexico/Arizona border or swim the Rio Grande then jumping through a few hoops should be any problem.

How will absentee voters show proof of who they are?

I still don't see why we can't pass a law that a percentage of both candidates campaign fund be used to see to it that those the ID law would burden can be issued an ID. It can be overseen by a bipartisan effort on a state and local level. Why does government always have to make things harder then they need to be?

 

This sounds like a plan to me. I'm just not sure that there is enough time before this election to put it all together.

This sounds like a plan to me. I'm just not sure that there is enough time before this election to put it all together.

There's not for this one, IMO. But lets hope they can agree to do this before the 2016 election. We can call it the RTS bill or plan.

How will absentee voters show proof of who they are?

 

I think you have to fill out a form and identify who you are to vote absentee. So they can validate it.

 

I would like to know who states guard against both absentee votes and 'in-person' votes by the same person in general. Or maybe I do not. It might open another can of worms.