August 19, 201214 yr If you can jump that big fence on the Mexico/Arizona border or swim the Rio Grande then jumping through a few hoops should be any problem. What does this have to do with the Voter ID law. Over 700,000 folks in Pa. don't have the necessary ID. Many of them elderly and probably unable to get a copy of their birth certificate. You assuming all 700,000 are illegal aliens who are trying to vote?
August 19, 201214 yr What does this have to do with the Voter ID law. Over 700,000 folks in Pa. don't have the necessary ID. Many of them elderly and probably unable to get a copy of their birth certificate. You assuming all 700,000 are illegal aliens who are trying to vote? Nice article on the women who was the lead plaintiff in the PA ID case Link The day after a judge upheld Pennsylvania's new voter identification law, the lead plaintiff in the suit seeking to block the law went to a state Department of Transportation office and was issued the photo ID card she needs to vote. Nothing has changed since Viviette Applewhite, 93, testified in July. The law stands. She still doesn't have a driver's license or Social Security card. The name on her birth certificate is still different from the name on her other documents _ all of which, under the law, should have barred her from getting her photo ID. But at precisely 1:16 p.m. Thursday, she got it anyway. "You just have to keep trying," said Applewhite, who uses an electric wheelchair. "Don't give up." see the link for the rest of the article. Theoldguy's take: Seems it isn't too hard to get an ID after all!
August 19, 201214 yr I think you have to fill out a form and identify who you are to vote absentee. So they can validate it. I would like to know who states guard against both absentee votes and 'in-person' votes by the same person in general. Or maybe I do not. It might open another can of worms. You think this as it relates to the new PA law? I am still concerned as to how shut ins (many for medical reasons) who vote absentee will be affected.
August 19, 201214 yr You think this as it relates to the new PA law? I am still concerned as to how shut ins (many for medical reasons) who vote absentee will be affected. Rules to vote as they stand now at least in Kentucky! ABSENTEE BALLOTS You may obtain a paper absentee ballot if you are unable to get to the polls on election day, and you meet any one of the following requirements: [TABLE] [TR] [TD=align: center]•[/TD] [TD]due to advanced age, disability, illness or medical emergency[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you are a member of the Armed forces[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=width: 10, align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you are the dependent of a member of the Armed forces [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=width: 10, align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you are a U. S. citizen residing overseas[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=width: 10, align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you are a student attending school outside the county of your voter registration [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=width: 10, align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you temporarily reside outside the state but are still eligible to vote in Kentucky [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=width: 10, align: center]•[/TD] [TD=width: 405]you are incarcerated in jail and have been charged but not convicted of a crime[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] The deadline for applying for a paper absentee ballot is 7 days before an election. You may apply for a paper absentee ballot due to a medical emergency up to the day of the election. You may request an application in person, by mail, by phone, or by fax. If you are going to be out of the county on election day and you do not qualify for a paper absentee ballot (as listed above), you may vote in the County Clerk's office any of the 21 business days preceding the election. So if I read this correctly, the person who is voting absentee has to ask for the ballot and then it is sent to the address they request. Seem it's rather easy to pull a fast one on this, as you TBG (not saying you would) could do all the leg work to get a ballot and then vote in that person place, if indeed you knew they couldn't get out to vote, or would ask for a absentee ballot!
August 19, 201214 yr ...Seem it's rather easy to pull a fast one on this, as you TBG (not saying you would) could do all the leg work to get a ballot and then vote in that person place, if indeed you knew they couldn't get out to vote, or would ask for a absentee ballot! I agree that this seems to be the biggest area in which fraud could occur. However, it is also the area that is closest to my heart, as my mother voted absentee for medical reasons for years. Voting always made her happy, as this was one area in which her medical disabilitiees didn't stop her from being just like any other citizen.
August 20, 201214 yr I will ask again. How many cases of proven fraud do we need before it is justified?Can someone please confirm that the quoted post isn't showing up in Chinese?
August 20, 201214 yr Author Can someone please confirm that the quoted post isn't showing up in Chinese? You didn't really expect Clyde to stick around and answer your question did you? :lol:
August 20, 201214 yr You think this as it relates to the new PA law? I am still concerned as to how shut ins (many for medical reasons) who vote absentee will be affected. I agree that this seems to be the biggest area in which fraud could occur. However, it is also the area that is closest to my heart, as my mother voted absentee for medical reasons for years. Voting always made her happy, as this was one area in which her medical disabilitiees didn't stop her from being just like any other citizen. Here: Committee of Seventy: Voter ID Issues: Voting by Absentee Ballot [h=3]"How can disabled voters cast a ballot on November 6?[/h]Voters with a disability, or who are at least 65 years of age and have been assigned to a polling place deemed inaccessible by their county Board of Elections, are eligible to vote by alternative ballot. The new voter ID law does not require alternative ballot voters to show proof of identification. Even if a voter has been assigned to a polling place that is handicapped accessible, the voter may still vote by absentee ballot if the voter, because of illness or physical disability, is unable to vote in person or to operate a voting machine. " Emphasis added. It looks like the new law does NOT impact the situation described. I think the issue of double counting absentee and in-person is more ripe for fraud. I posted a video from Pennsylvania about absentee fraud at one time. Its interesting to see the efforts to tighten up 'in-person' voting but the system still has lots of weaknesses. The 'system' relies on a certain level of integrity and honesty. Individual deliberate fraud is probably statistically very low. It is when groups and organizations go out their way to 'help' large groups and gather ballots and do independent, non-government mass mailings that would concern me.
August 20, 201214 yr You didn't really expect Clyde to stick around and answer your question did you? :lol: There are 2 posters that continue to use number of voter fraud cases when rallying against stricter laws. I was hoping for a response from both but would be happy with a response from either one. Hell at this point I would take a response from anyone since I've asked the same question in several different threads. Also I really expected a response from Clyde after his repeated posts to BF for not responsing to his question in the Blade Runner thread.
August 20, 201214 yr Can someone please confirm that the quoted post isn't showing up in Chinese? Here's your answer.
August 20, 201214 yr Can someone please confirm that the quoted post isn't showing up in Chinese? Better question, I would think, would be how could anyone not think it is better for citizens to have to show proper ID to vote. This seems like it shouldn't be arguable.
August 20, 201214 yr Better question, I would think, would be how could anyone not think it is better for citizens to have to show proper ID to vote. This seems like it shouldn't be arguable. I have no problem with it if attaining the ID is easy and very cheap, in addition to making considerations for those that cannot go to a courthouse to obtain the ID.
August 20, 201214 yr Author I have no problem with it if attaining the ID is easy and very cheap, in addition to making considerations for those that cannot go to a courthouse to obtain the ID. It is easy and very cheap.
August 20, 201214 yr What does this have to do with the Voter ID law. Over 700,000 folks in Pa. don't have the necessary ID. Many of them elderly and probably unable to get a copy of their birth certificate. You assuming all 700,000 are illegal aliens who are trying to vote? I'm sorry I didn't realize there were no illegal Mexican in PA. Do you know how they keep them out? If so let the rest of the country know.
August 20, 201214 yr Nice article on the women who was the lead plaintiff in the PA ID case Link The day after a judge upheld Pennsylvania's new voter identification law, the lead plaintiff in the suit seeking to block the law went to a state Department of Transportation office and was issued the photo ID card she needs to vote. Nothing has changed since Viviette Applewhite, 93, testified in July. The law stands. She still doesn't have a driver's license or Social Security card. The name on her birth certificate is still different from the name on her other documents _ all of which, under the law, should have barred her from getting her photo ID. But at precisely 1:16 p.m. Thursday, she got it anyway. "You just have to keep trying," said Applewhite, who uses an electric wheelchair. "Don't give up." see the link for the rest of the article. Theoldguy's take: Seems it isn't too hard to get an ID after all! Not now. What happens when reality sinks in and 700,000 are trying to get voter IDs or birth certificates to get voter IDs? I'll tell you...backlog. When the laws changed stating that a passport is needed to leave the country at all times folks had to scramble to get passports so they could still take their already booked and paid for Caribbean cruises/vacations, etc. The wait time on a passport went from 2 weeks to 90 days because of the rush and backlog that ensued. The same thing could happen here. Sure this lady got hers. What if all 700,000 people had shown up the next day trying to get a voter ID? What happens when they start trickling in trying to get voter ID? I hope it goes as smooth as it did for this 1 woman in an electric wheelchair.
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