And even if you did know with all that talent you ain't gonna stop it!

 

Hoping to at least get a chance. But you're right, they're very explosive and would be tough to stop for any HS.

It is a real fear. I know of coaches that do not want their scrimmage dates publicized because they don't want opposing teams at their scrimmages. That leaves me to believe that there is some knowledge to be gained for opposing teams.

 

Sure there is, just like you can go and record the whole thing with your phone and post it on 5 different websites. If a coach is that paranoid he probably needs some help and I don't mean more coaches.

Sure there is, just like you can go and record the whole thing with your phone and post it on 5 different websites. If a coach is that paranoid he probably needs some help and I don't mean more coaches.

 

I don't disagree with your logic. Just saying I know coaches who don't want their scrimmage dates publicized at all.

I misread the question. There are teams that scout their scrimmage opponents? :lol:

 

That's hardcore. I was thinking scouting at scrimmages. Not scouting scrimmage opponents. :lol:

 

Wow. Yeah, this is a good topic. Is this normal behavior in high school football?

 

That's what I'm saying, it's stupid. Do you realize how often my friends and I reminisce about the scrimmage against NewCath going in to our senior year...... The only meaningful memory I have from that night is that it was the first time I ever tried dip. It doesn't go in the record books, it means nothing, it's simply used for evaluation and to try to get ready for the season.

I don't disagree with your logic. Just saying I know coaches who don't want their scrimmage dates publicized at all.

 

 

And I would not hesitate to call them idiots, I might speak up though if I thought they could hear me.

For the record there's only one scrimmage where pre-scrimmage practice-watching scouting is allowed.

 

THE SUPER BOWL OF ALL HIGH SCHOOL SCRIMMAGES

I was very surprised to hear that Beechwood would resort to spying on Conner practicing. Is winning a scrimmage that important? I hope the coaching staff at Conner has the boys ready on Friday. After learning about Spygate II the Conner/Beechwood scrimmage is where I really wish I could be this Friday.

 

I know it's just a scrimmage but good luck anyways Conner!!!

 

Makes me wonder if the BW staff lacks confidence in the horses they have in the stable!

I remember a few years ago, Somerset went all the way to Frankfort for a 4 team round robin scrimmage. During the game the head coach from Southwestern and several players showed up to watch. Somerset was to be their week 2 opponent that year, so I guess they were trying to get a leg up by scouting the scrimmage.

I remember a few years ago, Somerset went all the way to Frankfort for a 4 team round robin scrimmage. During the game the head coach from Southwestern and several players showed up to watch. Somerset was to be their week 2 opponent that year, so I guess they were trying to get a leg up by scouting the scrimmage.

 

 

Nothing wrong with that IMO.

 

Had the team that Somerset scrimmaged shown up at a Somerset practice prior to the scrimmage then that's a problem.

My take on this is simple; it's highly unethical completely unnecessary.

 

As others have said, it's wrong for coaches to watch another team practice, unless they've been given permission. Outdoor practices are hard to totally close off, but that shouldn't make them open season for "scouts" from other schools. Some decorum should be understood.

 

Again, as others have said, it's unnecessary because coaches will usually tell the other team exactly what they're going to work on during the scrimmage. Heck, the coaches can set up the scrimmage exactly how they wish so both teams get maximum benefit from it. Coaches can choose their scrimmage opponents, and usually do with like minded programs so both teams get what they are looking for.

 

I get that in the day of social media, scrimmages are made out to be a big deal to a lot of people. But, coaches and programs in general should be better than caving in to such a thing.

Based on things I have heard I wonder if the entire Beechwood coaching staff is/was even aware that they had a coach at Conner watching them practice. This could be the action of a renegade coach acting on his own. I'd hate to think the entire staff was in on it and while I know a Beechwood coach was there I'd hate to indict the entire staff for the actions of one if this was indeed the actions of one person.

 

Still stinks to high Heaven.

 

 

Spygate II. Over a scrimmage. What in the world......

If you mean scouting a team that you are going to scrimmage prior to a scrimmage: I would assume that means secretly scouting their practices to prepare for the scrimmage, and that would be ethically wrong. I think practices are off limits for other programs. Their should be a feeling of privacy at a practice and no fear of spying eyes.

 

If you mean future opponents coming to your scrimmage to scout your team for a regular season game: Scrimmages are open to the public and fair game for scouting. If you are "practicing" or "scrimmaging" in public you have to anticipate other teams will be there to take a peak. We held our Orange/Black game yesterday, three schools were there scouting us. This was a "public" or open practice session with hundreds of people in attendance and is fair game for on lookers. The only ethical situation that could arise is, filming. No team is permitted to film a game of an opponent when they are not playing each other. So, a team should, and is, not permitted to film your scrimmage in an attempt to prepare for your regular season game.

 

Agreed.

 

I recall a Mason County-Ashland scrimmage a few years back. Word got to me that an upcoming regular-season opponent was there scouting, which seemed fine to me; but that they were filming, which was not so fine. I heard that they had to destroy the film. But I'm not close enough to the teams to verify any of this - just secondhand info.

Based on things I have heard I wonder if the entire Beechwood coaching staff is/was even aware that they had a coach at Conner watching them practice. This could be the action of a renegade coach acting on his own. I'd hate to think the entire staff was in on it and while I know a Beechwood coach was there I'd hate to indict the entire staff for the actions of one if this was indeed the actions of one person.

 

Still stinks to high Heaven.

 

 

Spygate II. Over a scrimmage. What in the world......

I understand your point, and it is well taken. BUT, the action of a member of a staff will, and should, reflect the entire staff. If your scenario is accurate and true, the "renegade" coach should be reprimanded, and the reprimand should be made public to protect the integrity of the Beechwood program. It's has to be made public to show that the program was not involved and does not condone such behavior.

 

I would venture a guess that this will not happen.

I understand your point, and it is well taken. BUT, the action of a member of a staff will, and should, reflect the entire staff. If your scenario is accurate and true, the "renegade" coach should be reprimanded, and the reprimand should be made public to protect the integrity of the Beechwood program. It's has to be made public to show that the program was not involved and does not condone such behavior.

 

I would venture a guess that this will not happen.

 

I'm not holding my breath waiting for it but I agree with you 100%.

I understand your point, and it is well taken. BUT, the action of a member of a staff will, and should, reflect the entire staff. If your scenario is accurate and true, the "renegade" coach should be reprimanded, and the reprimand should be made public to protect the integrity of the Beechwood program. It's has to be made public to show that the program was not involved and does not condone such behavior.

 

I would venture a guess that this will not happen.

 

If there is no public reprimand, then one would have to conclude that the action was condoned.