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Right, and "All games played shall be counted in applying the tie-breaking procedure....", and nowhere states to omit the games won by the tied teams(except those games played between any two of the tied teams), further confirming that wins of all the tied teams will be counted, except for the wins from "those games played between any two of the tied teams". And it does make sense since any of the teams tied should be rewarded for a defeat of any of those tied. I'm still assuming that no amendments have been added to the Handbook, and/or posted on the KSHAA website.

No, toots, it says "in all games, except for the games between ANY TWO of the tied teams". Your interpretation really makes better sense, in a way, but if that was the intent it didn't make it to print that way. :thumb:

No, that's not how it reads. In D)3)b)ii), "...each game won by any four of their defeated opponents in all games, except for the games played between any two of the tied teams" count. So, obviously, since the games played between any of the tied teams is stated, the intent is to include the tied teams when counting wins for all of the tied teams, just not games played between any two of the tied teams. So I wonder if the rules have changed?

No, I don't see 2 wins by Fairland helping SC in the tie-breaker. SC already has other teams with better records.

But P-burg and Belfry both have Shelby Valley remaining on their schedules. As a matter of fact, it's the only game left for Belfry.

Thanks for saving me the time of looking up Fairland's record! :thumb:

Like I said, the rules state it's only the "games" played between the tied teams that aren't counted, so none of the wins enjoyed by either of the 3 tied teams over each other count, BUT all games are counted from any 4 defeated opponents, except for the "games" played between any of the 3 tied teams, so the other wins by a defeated opponent(even a tied opponent) count. So, since The Scribe sees it the other way, it makes me wonder if there have been changes made to the tie-breaker rules since the 2006-2007 KHSAA Handbook was issued. And I also want to look at the record of Fairland since Sheldon Clark won that game.

The Scribe doesn't see it this way, but the rules state it's only the "games" played between the tied teams that aren't counted, and all games are counted from any 4 defeated opponents, except for the "games" played between any of the 3 tied teams. So the wins from the tied teams should be a part of the tie-breaker, right? Or have there been changes made since the 2006-2007 KHSAA Handbook was issued? This makes for a significant change in the tie-breaker. :thumb:

I'm surprised that no posts have been made since my rules interpretation. But, while Shelby Valley's wins may possibly be the same for all 3 teams at the end of regular season play, SC has already played and won their game with SV which would have put them on top going into this weekend point with 11 pts. And including the wins from the tied teams makes a significant difference in the tie-breaker, and would currently show SC at 17, P-burg at 13, and Belfry at 11, but opponents games over these last 2 weeks could change things considerably. :thumb:

The Scribe posted this scenario on another thread(I did a little compilation as well and, needless to say, my numbers compiled after using "all games", as outlined below, are different, although not by a lot), but I believe Shelby Valley should have been included in the point total for Sheldon Clark as they played last week: "Point system. Going into tonight, the points were -- Belfry (10) 3 - NCC 4 - Pikeville 2 - Magoffin 1 - Lawrence/East Ridge SC (8) 3 - Boyd 3 - Knott 1 - Lawrence 1 - East Ridge P'Burg (6) 4 - Paintsville 2 - Magoffin " But the rules state it's only the "games" played between the tied teams that aren't counted, and that all games are counted from any 4 defeated opponents, except for the "games" played between any of the 3 tied teams. So the wins from the tied teams can be a part of the tie-breaker, right? :creepy: Or have there been changes made since the 2006-2007 KHSAA Handbook was issued? So, while it's still too early to know for sure who the 4 playoff teams are, we have a pretty good idea, but where they end up in the district standings may very well take until the last game of the regular season. :thumb: And my interpretation of the rulebook could be incorrect(I've been wrong before.... once! ) :fire:

Yes, that's correct. The first tie-breaker is head-to-head, which doesn't apply. The second tie-breaker states that each tied team will use any 4 teams they've defeated during the regular season, and shall be awarded one point for each game the defeated teams have won in all games, except for the games played between any two of the tied teams. All games count, even out-of-state games, and Sheldon Clark is the only team this year with an out-of-state game which they won. So whoever comes up the the tie-breaker first gets an "A+".... :thumb:

Prestonsburg, Belfry, and Sheldon Clark are in a 3-way tie atop the district since each team now has one loss. P-burg beat SC, Belfry beat P-burg, and now SC has a win over Belfry.

No, I don't imagine anyone would think of this as an upset. Prestonsburg beat a very good Sheldon Clark team that beat Belfry tonight in overtime.

Final

Too late! Marathon already bought Ashland Oil and Eastern States bought Ashland Exploration! :laugh:

I would like to be there, toots, but my nagging injury still precludes me from attending away games. Now, if I could sit where I do for our home games, I would be there with bells on, but I don't believe it possible, especially at this late stage.

I was supposed to be in Talladega by now, but the work on the bus just didn't allow enough time to make it a pleasurable weekend. We'll just leave on Wednesday for Atlanta in an attempt to make up for missing Talladega. :cry: And I wish I was able to make the tailgate, Brat... sounds like fun! :thumb: Good luck to both teams and let's hope for no injuries tonight. The aura leading up to our games is always exciting, even if the game happens to end in a lopsided victory for either team.

From what I recall hearing at the beginning of the contract, this year was the last year scheduled. But there have been years in the past when these teams have played each other, and years when they haven't. This seems to be where it is now, with no games scheduled. But, who knows, maybe both coaches will decide to put together another series, if there's enough interest. :thumb:

Obviously, CFJ was uninformed as to the realignment, onei. :thumb:

Because Dudley always fields a good, fundamentally sound, team. :thumb: You can never expect a cake-walk when playing Bell. :eek:

And you couldn't have asked for better weather at Danville! It rained off and on all game long. :thumb: And "Sink The Ship" was the slogan of the day(er, night...) for the Blackcat faithful.

Good job Blackcats! :thumb: Now dig in and work hard next week and get you another W! :flame: :ylsuper:

Well put, onei. :thumb:

That must have come from someplace other than the fan section, Hearsay, or from some other fans. :sleep: I'd remember if I had heard that coming from our fan section. :eek:

The good thing about being kids, Pal, is that they tend not to run in the same circles as the adults. And their focus is mostly immediate which, therefore, won't keep them from enjoying the rewards of their hard work and dedication, week in and week out. While they realize it's not always a level playing field, they're still quite content letting adults deal with matters such as these.