Dark Horse78

You interested in that job villecooach?

Little off topic, but.... why is it cow days? Understand Lincoln days in Hodgenville and the bourbon festival in Bardstown...but what's with the cow? Option...can you enlighten me on the history on the festival?

That group of sophomores had 3 kids in the all star game in the 8th grade. Brewer, Davis, Pierce. Davis and Brewer both were listed on the starting lineup vs LaRue according to the radio broadcast. However, I wanna be clear that I'm not trying to knock at Green...at all. I'm a big 5th region fan and think highly of GC and the AD over there...in fact most of the GC folks i know are great people, and the guys I work with are nuts about the place. Good luck to Dragon nation on Friday.

You can disagree coach, but how many of those kids moved away that we're on that team?? Several. Look at the track program this coming season, and the fact that Hodge resigned, coaches don't get out when there is talent and I will be proven right this spring. Not the first time the former ball coach got out when there was a dip in talent, when talent goes back up in a few years see if he comes back. That isn't a secret in the 5th region, have heard that on several occasions. Those aren't coincidences. Not just at green. Brown at John Hardin, Armes at LaRue...etc. just part of it. Now Brown is back coaching at Etown...didnt retire long. I will also add that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, probably a smart move and every guy has the right not to suffer through tough years if he doesn't want to. Middle school all star games mean zilch...especially when several of the coaches were green co. coaches. I had several kids play on that team and they were not my best players, but could afford to go. Talent does change at small county schools to say differently is a homer mentality and a way for the former coach to stroke his ego. Jagger's was a stud...he would have started at 100 schools in the state to say different is to say that a 4.5 40 yd dash isn't welcome in other schools. Speed is a commodity that is not at green and isn't going to be there for a while. But enough about Green. Campbellsville is on an upswing and the Young kid is a stud and sought after by D1 schools with charlie strong stopping before he left for Texas. Locally nobody has a kid like him...nobody. Did they appeal the KHSAA to see if he could play? I hope to be able to see him play next week if I'm able to get down that way.

Me too, this is not good for hs football if it was.

I hope not fired. This has become a trend this season that is becoming a little reckless for high school football. Courier have a write up on it?

I remember when they started this program when i lived near dry ridge. The way they did it was first class and they have been building on that ever since. Congrats to this young man.

It is no secret in the area that the talent pool is down at Green and on the rise at cville, and in many cases coaches don't get out when the talent is at its highest. The speed Green has been used to isn't there and will be especially noticeable come track season. Lets face it, speed kills and has been in the GC backfield for years...but not this year from what I have heard from those who have seen them play. Perhaps I have bad info. Good luck to both teams...how long has this game been played as a bowl? Is it always played at GC?

I also think it's fair to point out that Barren may not be as bad as the tradition dictates. I was at the Barren/Glasgow game and they look like a team now with a little confidence and swagger. We all know that in HS football confidence (lack of or lots of it) can make a HUGE difference in how a team CAN play. I'm just glad to see their coach seeing some fruits of his labors...that is a really tough place to be a football coach. This game could have gone either way and if it were played 10 times I bet the teams would split. Barren has kids that have been in the system now for several years and perhaps even culture is starting to move in the right direction. Monroe has the tradition, but lets face it, when you have some of the injuries they have had up front, it can shake a team. The oline works on continuity, its not really a plug and play type of unit like some other positions. Monroe has an outstanding staff and community and with the current Junior group, they will find a way down the stretch to return to form. I honestly believe that!

Both teams are young/inexperienced but have a ton of heart and fight. This was a dog fight and I bet a fun one from the stands and hear on the radio. LaRue will be REALLY good over the next 2 years...Green is rebuilding with a solid Junior/Soph group but lacks experience where it matters but have a dandy middle school group coming up. LaRue is young and Green is on running back number 3 (couple of season ending injuries in the backfield) for the season with a Soph. taking the work load. I would wager these teams would have split if you played it 10 times.

Nothing...and their basketball team is under a full investigation by the KHSAA for recruiting violations.

Brian Miller, former Lincoln County player I believe...I played with him for a few springs in college(long story on why he never made it to fall camp) but he's as close as I have ever seen. Legit world class speed. I mean Olympic type speed is 4.3...Nobody in KY is running that right now and hasn't in a LONG time. Tyson Gay type speed people.

Actually Ram, they don't handle heat as well: According to the APA: There are quite a few basic differences in the chemical makeup of children that make it harder for them to regulate body temperature than adults. 1. Children have more body surface area than body weight, so when the outside temperature is higher than body temperature, children tend to gain heat faster than adults. Don’t let their smaller size deceive you. 2. During exercise, children generate up to 20% to 25% more heat for their body weight than adults. Youngsters’ higher metabolic rates also contribute to the higher amounts of heat that kids can generate with exercise and activities. 3. Movements that are unrefined and inefficient produce more heat in kids than older athletes who have mastered their techniques and have more smooth movements. 4. The amount of blood pumped during exercise is less in children than adults, so there is less ability to move heat to the skin to give off heat. 5. Children have immature sweating mechanisms and also sweat less than adults, so they have less ability to get rid of heat by evaporation of sweat. They do not have as many sweat glands, and those sweat glands are not as efficient as adults. Getting sunburned also decreases the ability of the sweat glands to perform, so wearing sunscreen is a must (in addition to protecting their skin from premature aging and skin cancer). 6. Children adjust to the heat more slowly, so it will take longer for them to get used to summer temperatures and humidity than adults. This process of adaptation is called acclimatization. This ability to adapt is what allows your Baby Bear not to get too hot or too cold, but to be just right. 7. Core body temperature in children rises higher and more quickly with dehydration, so it is even more important to provide drink breaks for young active children. The thirst drive in a child is not as good as an adult’s thirst drive, so taking frequent breaks to drink fluids should be mandatory. 8. Children who are overweight are even more at risk for heat illness because extra weight can compound most of these problems. They have to generate more heat to move the larger body mass, it is harder to give off heat (so they retain more heat), and they adjust even more slowly to the heat. I don't disagree with the acclimation statement though, with that said people don't walk down the street in football gear either..lol. But it would make walking down the sidewalk interesting!! You tube videos would be interesting with amazing sidewalk hits!!

I will say this, high school football does a fair job with heat...but the youth leagues need regulation more than any other group (the younger the player the tougher time their bodies have regulating heat). That is the group that is most concerning, heat delay in high school football and out in front of the school the youth team was full gear full go!

If backing it up will not matter, then there should be no issues with doing so. The UIL in Texas now prohibits schools from starting prior to the first day of school and in Broward Co. Florida practice is banned from 11am-4pm and the state has now placed limits on numbers of practice per day as well as hours per week. Its affecting southern states as well since heat related deaths have increased. This trend with adapting practice will continue, and it should. Southern states are leading the way with adapting to new heat regulations...as they should, and so should we, but the bad part is KY is way behind. Florida and Arizona adopted all seven of the heat guidelines recommended by the Korey Stringer Institute and the National Athletic Trainers' Association, which have been adopted also by the National Football League and the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Nine states now meet all the guidelines. Kentucky meets only one...(Alabama meets NONE) We gotta move away from the caveman mentality with this, and just like my daddy used to say, "just cause everyone else does it doesn't make it right." Perhaps we should start a new trend. Just food for thought.

Agree to some extent...but I can't remember kids falling out due to cold. This has more to do with player safety and we know what heat does to kids who sit inside all summer (lets face it, this aint the 70s, 80s, and 90s...momma doesn't kick you out of the house all day so she can get stuff done like she used to). I agree that the state finals could have been a mess last year (they ended up just fine for a majority of travelers), but those types of winters are far more rare than brutally hot summers with high heat index. (100 plus on heat index is worse than 25 degree wind chill). You can't make everyone happy, but IF we could save a few heat injuries to 14-19 year old's then I am all for it.

Agree, this Campbellsville team could win a bunch of games. If a team can't contain Young they will have a boat load of problems.

I make no assumptions, that is why I asked...and I know what school you are with, so no assumptions there either. With the group they have coming back, my comment about a solid season is what I will stand by. Regardless of talent they play hard, generally are well coached, and have a solid core group coming back. Good luck Eagles.

Ok, from both sides of the fence. As a parent you are naturally biased to what you believe your son can/can't do...that's natural and I am not in any way knocking you for that. It is also natural to feel there is an issue when your son does not get what you believe he deserves based on what he has done and what you THINK the other kids has/hasn't done. As a parent the absolute worst thing you can do is bad mouth the coach....why? If you bad mouth coach in front of your son, you are putting him in a really tough situation that will eventually lead to poor performance...how? Because coach expects him to do things exactly as he says, when he says, and without any reserve...then he has dad telling him what his coach isn't doing. That puts your son in a bad situation...so PLEASE, don't do that. D-2/NAIA is VERY competetive football and MANY kids who are 1AA kids end up transferring to them when things may not pan out in the FCS level. D-2/NAIA sends kids to the pros...so keep in mind, that it's not show up and get to play college football. I have seen kids who were sub 4.5 40 yd dash kids, who rush for 1500-2000 yds and were top players in the state sign with NAIA/D-2 schools because the reality is, that is where they were good enough to play...and be successful. Remember that less than 2% of all high school football players play college football...so it's tough and not just a want to thing and takes a commitment level that is pretty far out there. Just being honest. One POSSIBLE conclusion for coach not really putting a lot of emphasis on your son and college is that he may really be working with the seniors to be on getting recruited, or he may not believe your son is good enough to play. Either way, YOU and your son have TOTAL control over the recruiting process. Get to as many 1 day camps as possible, send out short highlight films (2-3 mins is plenty), call college coaches and ask them to look the film over and give you an honest evaluation...that will be your best indicator for his ability at this juncture. Stay positive...you never know what will happen over the next 2 seasons if he works his tail off...but I know exaclty what will happen it you both become disgruntled. You guys will be left hating the experience and wishing for something different. Keep in mind, there is NOTHING wrong with a GREAT high school career...it's a lifetime of memories. Stay positive!

LD-with the school you are at and some of the top talent in the state, is your question one that should be posed considering you know exactly what a 4-7 season is like? Feels like stone throwing to me, I hope I am just reading too much into your post. IMO-Newton does well with the talent he gets, knowing some of his more talented kids were recruited away (as reported to the KHSAA) by a small private south end school. I would say they are expecting a better than .500 season, but not a state title run by any stretch.

Georgia is a whole different animal!! Especially Valdosta HS!! Apples to raisins in comparing KY to GA. LOL

They do make some difference...but put either of those "great" staffs in a school that just went 0-11 and I would bet the result is the same, closer games? Maybe, but 0-11 will still be the result. Put those same kids that went 0-11 in those facilities...and you still get 0-11. Put the X/T kids in the school and under the staff that went 0-11...and they wont be 0-11, I promise. Bottom line...Jimmy's and Joe's make the major difference? The ONLY difference? NO, but as my old coach used to say: don't urinate down my back and tell me it's raining either ALL of those other things contribute to the success, but none more than PLAYERS. There are many exceptions. Quite a few schools go to state championships or have 10+ win seasons with poor facilities...etc. But what do they usually have? Kids who can flat play. Too many examples prove that point right around the state, not just X/T. Just so we are clear, I'm not picking on the private kids, you keep bringing them up as the end all and my point is the number 1 factor in any program (regardelss of all other factors) will always be who's on the feild. All other factors are necessary, but not equivalent.

My school district took a 240K state cut last year...explain where the money should come from? Rich parents??? Highlands doesn't even have a weight room big enough to hold their kids. I would go so far as to say they have the WORST off-season facilities for ANY team who has won a title. How do they do it with no money? Money isn't the answer. If it was schools like Etown-Cov Cath-O'Cath-Pikeville....etc. Would win it every year. You are still missing it. JIMMY'S and JOE's!!!! I heard this by a very good private school coach at a clinic once. If my X is just flat better than your o, then it don't matter what you do...I will beat you nearly every time. It is what it is! This thread is hijacking itself!! LOL. How would KY fare with Ohio's point system? How exactly does it work?

Correct. You cannot MANDATE any off-season work. But like you said...playing time is optional too!

I agree that hard work is a key factor...in anything. However, you named off traditional powerhouse programs. They are already established and that TRADITION feeds their success far more than any other factor. Do they work hard in the off-season? YEP. But I can name MANY others who work hard or harder but do not have the same type of kids taking the field. Hard work is only a fraction...still comes down to having players who can flat play. After you get those kids out, develop them, and lay the foundation. That's when you get success. You take a program with 60 kids who are just plain unathletic, it won't matter how hard they work. Will they improve...yes, but that does not always equate to success in wins/losses. Again, so much goes into success that you cannot say it's all one thing. You still have to have kids who are good football players...everything else is what gets them to achieve their potential. IMO