Hoptown b-ball fan

County was in control early and seemed to put it on cruise control. Ware was in foul trouble a lot of the night along with trice and langhi. County played Man most of The night which isn’t our M.O..

I think there are two questions here. The first revolves around college basketball exposure. I don’t think it’s on a high school coach to get a kid exposure. The aau circuit has taken the place of high school ball in this regard. However, a high school coach should be active in helping a kid find a good aau situation. So often parents and kids who aren’t familiar with the aau environment are taken advantage of by aau coaches. The second is the academic qualification. Again, The NCAA clearinghouse is really tough to understand and guidance counselors have tough jobs. If a kid could potentially play at a NCAA school Coaches should at least let kids know what it takes to meet the minimum requirements. The sad thing is, I’ve heard of coaches who intentionally convince kids to take easier classes so they don’t have to worry about a kid remaining eligible and costing them any chance of qualifying.

And those who think the game should Have been played are naive or want to see a right. By refusing to play it brought more attention to the shameful and sick video. Not playing also removed any potential for an altercation. We all know that when you have an event in these situations that racist groups or Sick people sometimes show up to make a statement. Not playing brought more attention on the racist video. That is a good thing.

Can you link videos of players from schools of any of those spots spouting off racist statements?

No. It was a risk to play that meaningless game. And if they wanted to make a statement and bring light to the situation, not playing was the way to do it.

Yeah. The comments by the kid were really dumb.

Well Said Hypeman. Tim's issue is this. He wins. We all know that. But his "personality", let's call it, makes him the type of coach that when he doesn't win, it's REALLY hard to like him. This season is a great illustration of that. The issues they've had within their program wouldn't be nearly as "bad" if he was dominating the region/district. Most agree that he has the most talented and deepest roster in the region, but he finished a clear 3rd in the district and they don't have much coming back. So the folks around Hoptown who have "turned the other cheek" because he was winning are circling like hawks... He's got 3 major issues. 1. No matter when he was winning or when he wasn't, some VERY talented kids never even got close to making it to even a NAIA college basketball court. There is a perception and perhaps a bit of a reality around the program that he isn't helping kids make sure that they are doing what they need to do to make sure qualify. There is also a perception that he wasn't willing to help kids get to the top aau programs. Sure, some of that is on the Guidance counselor and parents, but some of the complaints are valid. I won't get into details about specific kids, but that is starting to hurt his "pipeline" because most kids start with the dream of playing college ball. When there isn't a consistent track record of that then folks start to think about whether "winning" is worth not getting the exposure/help you need in order to make it to the next level. Some of this criticism is fair, and some isn't. But the perception is definitely out there. 2. Discipline - The Shorty Cager situation is well documented but there are other private (they should be because they are juvenile issues) issues that have shown him and his program in a very bad light. There is a perception that kids would be disciplined in other programs don't have anything said to them in his program. Some even say he enables some of the in school/out of school behavior by the kids. This is really hurting him with the "blue bloods" in the Hoptown fanbase. Those folks worshiped the ground he walked on when these issues weren't as numerous and when he was winning. Now that he's losing those folks are digging deeper and from what I understand aren't happy with what they are finding. Again, some of this is perception. 3. His "big personality" was great when he was winning. He could say some outrageous stuff when he was winning. Now that he's losing, when he says the "crazy stuff" it really rubs folks the wrong way. For example, last night he blamed the loss "all on the kids." Then he followed up blaming the kids with "they're little boys, they aren't men". In all of my MANNNNY years of following sports I don't know that i've ever heard a coach so directly blame kids. Not even a college or nba coach. Those kinds of "outrageous" statements are commonplace for Tim. When you're winning regional championships you can say those things (for a while at least). But when you start losing the act wears out quick. Again, I give them a lot of credit for the wins they've had in the last few years. It's a heck of a run in a tough district. But even before the losing there were folks asking serious questions. Let's also be fair. County was significantly weaker at their head coaching position and UHA was breaking in a very inexperienced coach who seems to be hitting his stride now when Haworth started. Now you have a legend in Stovall at County and a much better roster and much more experienced and better staff at UHA. Tim had very good timing at Hoptown. The time when he started to hit his stride, County and UHA had pretty rough coaching situations. Losing the key guys they lose... I won't be surprised to hear that he's moved on.

Kyky Tandy rebounded after a tough performance against Christian County with 36 and Jalen Johnson had 29 points for Hoptown. This was at Hoptown. First win for Heights at Hoptown since 2008. This just isn’t your typical Tim Haworth team. Considering all that they lose I’m sure The folks at Hoptown are concerned.

Hokie dokie

Take a look at my posts and you can probably figure it out. I'm not going to cast stones directly at any coaches or schools.

Yep. I think the kid from Corbin threw the stone and shattered the glass.

"alleged" I don't think there is any doubt... To somehow find blame in the decision that Doss made is ridiculous. If anything, this is one example where a protest is well timed and VERY obvious in terms of what is being protested. Good for them to not accept the hatred from the kid. To place their action on the moral equivalency of somebody protesting the national anthem is shameful. Doss saw a clear "wrong" and made a stand.

When I say "went away" I mean, it being ok or acceptable to "say it" went away. Of course there are still bigots and racists. That's quite obvious.

Yeah. I think the term "black schools" went away in about 1965. Kind of like the remark that the kid made went away in about 1955.

Sarcasm boss. Sarcasm.

Here's what I see going on. it's not that coaches aren't "helping" kids get athletic scholarships. it's that coaches are "enabling" situations that hurt a kid's chances of getting eligible. I won't mention names. But you guys know where I'm from. There is a coach down here that produces very good teams with very good players but virtually NONE of them qualify for college. The two school across town continually produces d-1 players. One public, one private. The coach i'm talking about is rumored to make sure his kids can get in classes where their eligibility is never in question. Yet when it comes time to make it through the ncaa clearinghouse, they don't make it...

Black schools? They still exist?

Enlighten me. What do you mean by "figurative knee"?

Have you ever seen a region 2 team try to play a Region 1 team in Region 1?

no. See above post with the actual rules example. If the defensive player takes possession of the ball, yes, it would be switched to 2 points. But on a "tip" it stays a 3.

Yeah. Those not recognizing how this was/is a big deal are definitely tone deaf. You can't say something like that. Ever. Heck, that would have been risque in 1950. Much less - 2018. Kudos to the coach for suspending those kids. Are they back? how many games were they suspended for?

And never-mind. I just read what the kid said. Yeah, I'd say it would have been a tough situation unless Corbin agreed in advance to suspend the two players for the game.

So can somebody please link this video? Was it a Corbin player who posted it? Assuming it was a Corbin player, those saying "there have never been incidences before" are missing the concept that there had probably never been a video like this posted before a game. It seems there is a disconnect between those who don't think anything would have happened and how a video could have put the situation on edge.

Look at it this way. if the defensive player goal tends a 3 point shot they don't take away a point and make it 2 points since he was the last player to touch it inside the arc? It should be a 3 point shot. I've seen a million times where the ball is tipped on a 3 point shot but 3 points is still given. The only time an official makes a ruling on if a player is "shooting" or not is on a foul. In this situation, the rule-book literally says "throw" to prove that there is not difference between a pass and a shot in this situation.

Wrong call by the official... Straight out of the NFHS Casebook. 5.2.1 Situation C: A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by: (a) B1 who is in the three-point area; or (b) B1 who is in the two-point area: © A2 who is in the three-point area: or (d) A2 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. Ruling: In (a) and (b), three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense and the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line. In ©, score three points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the three-point line. In (d), score two points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred in the two-point area. Hope this clarifies.