I'm saying if they were attempting to injure players with illegal hits there would've been fines from the NFL....Did that ever happen?

 

It's hard not to think of them as such when you've already come out and said you're extremely biased against the team in question.

 

First of all, not all illegal hits get noticed. Secondly, the NFL discovered this what...last year? How long has Greg Williams used this system? How many people have been paid for illegal hits that the NFL had no clue about. Yes they would have been fined...but I think the punishment would have been far worse had the NFL known some of the hits were the result of a bounty.

 

Like I said before...I don't think all of the hits were illegal. Never said that. But how can you honestly say a system like this that encourages injuring opposing players hasn't created at least one or two unnecessary illegal hits. You'd have to go back and watch game tape from all games Greg Williams has coaches to see...and I don't think either of us have that kind of time.

I'm having a hard time understanding why a player would want to intentionally and possibly illegally hit someone for a couple grand and then have to pay at least a 25K fine. The logic behind that escapes me. They use the words intent to injure but you can get someone carted off the field with a perfectly legal hit.

 

That's what a lot of former players and coaches have said in interviews. I'm totally guessing on this but it makes sense that the "cart offs" "knockout" bonuses were paid if the player could do that on a legal hit. I mean it wasn't like these guys were going out there and sweeping the leg like the guy on The Karate Kid. They were playing defense and trying to knock the stuffing out of the other team--if it resulted in them getting carted off or having to leave the game they got rewarded even more for it. That is where it is wrong.

Vilma offered 10 grand to whoever knocked Favre out if the NFC title game and they clearly abused him well after they were allowed to hit him. 3 plays were flagged as illegal late hits. One player was fined 25 grand and another player was fined from that game. Some people have the nothing to see here reaction? Weird

That's what a lot of former players and coaches have said in interviews. I'm totally guessing on this but it makes sense that the "cart offs" "knockout" bonuses were paid if the player could do that on a legal hit. I mean it wasn't like these guys were going out there and sweeping the leg like the guy on The Karate Kid. They were playing defense and trying to knock the stuffing out of the other team--if it resulted in them getting carted off or having to leave the game they got rewarded even more for it. That is where it is wrong.

 

 

Disagree. Reports are out that individual players (QB's) were targeted. Dirty doesn't even begin to describe that

Vilma offered 10 grand to whoever knocked Favre out if the NFC title game and they clearly abused him well after they were allowed to hit him. 3 plays were flagged as illegal late hits. One player was fined 25 grand and another player was fined from that game. Some people have the nothing to see here reaction? Weird

 

But wait....they couldn't have hit them late because of the bounty! It's not possible!

Do these Bounties go on in College and High School?

Vilma offered 10 grand to whoever knocked Favre out if the NFC title game and they clearly abused him well after they were allowed to hit him. 3 plays were flagged as illegal late hits. One player was fined 25 grand and another player was fined from that game. Some people have the nothing to see here reaction? Weird

 

Yep. I truly don't care. I think it is kind of stupid to worry about the safety of grown men who choose to play a sport as brutal as football. Stupid. The players are going to hit hard regardless. See James Harrison. I wonder if his bounty money covered his fines.

Do these Bounties go on in College and High School?

 

Yes. As I stated before the guys in college get stickers on their helmets. Except for at Miami where they get nights out at the finest strip clubs Miami has to offer courtesy of Uncle Luke. Where do people think Vilma learned it from?

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by PurplePride92

Yes. As I stared before they guys in college get stickers on their helmets. Except for at Miami where they get nights out at the finest strip clubs Miami has to offer courtesy of Uncle Luke. Where do people think Vilma learned it from?

 

Wow, that's crazy PP. Sorry about that, didn't see that post man. What about HS?

Wow, that's crazy PP. Sorry about that, didn't see that post man. What about HS?

 

It's all good.

 

I have never heard of any incidents in high school but I wouldn't be surprised if there are isolated cases of it.

But wait....they couldn't have hit them late because of the bounty! It's not possible!

 

 

 

Are you really that naive? With all the player movement given the free agency system do you really think that players are that fundamentally different accross the league? If the players didn't think this "was cool" as you stated why didn't someone speak up and stop it? Are the Saints or Greg Williams teams just more evil than the rest of the league? Of course not. Even if you are naive enough to believe that only Greg Williams teams did this you are talking about hundreds of players over the years that didn't speak up. Why didn't one player come forward? They could have, after they left the team or even retired. The fact is they all know the score. We don't watch football just for the pretty pass plays and 50 yard field goals. We like to see a receiver get almost decapitated going across the middle and still hold onto the ball. We love to see a great peel back block on a kick return. We all love football because it is a violent game. Do you ever go watch flag football? The fact is we like watching people get lit up. The players like lighting people up. It is a pride thing with the players. Kind of like throwing money in the pot for the biggest fish on a fishing trip or longest drive in a golf game. Don't pretend you wouldn't do it too. Every time I tackled an opposing running back I tried my best to drive my helmet through his spine. That's football. It has been that way forever. Back in the day Dick Butkus openly talked about his favorite movie scene being a skull bouncing down the stairs and insinuating that he'd like to do that to someone. If you think this is an isolated occurence you probably believe in unicorns and leprechauns.

I look at it like this. If it was set up to take cheap shots to ruin people then I hope they suspend the heck out of them. I don't think that's what it was. I think it has gone on forever. I played safety in high school. I entered every game with the mentality that I was going to drop the hammer every chance I got to send a message. I never hit after the whistle but if you were coming across the middle I took it personal. I was going to do everything I could to legally knock your head off and tell you to tell your coach to quit throwing the ball over the middle. If you were a great running back there was nothing more fun than filling the alley. If you were tough has heck going down then I took great pride in teammates standing you up + getting to finish you. To me that is how you play the game. That is how they try to play in the NFL. Unfortunatly athletes have gotten so big+so fast that it has become more dangerous. With all the data coming out with concussions everything is magnified even more.

It is so hard for safety's to play the game now days. You aren't allowed to impose your will like my favorite player Ronnie Lott. I've heard interviews with the old Giants guys like LT who had bounties. I don't think it ever really left that level. If I'm playing the Philly Eagles I am going to try like heck to knock Mike Vick out of the football game every single time he has the ball in his hands! I hope I knock him out of the game! That's football! I would not do it with a cheap shot! That is not what the game is about ruining careers on cheap shots.

With players jumping around to different teams so much I just think it is probably common knowledge that teams are trying to take you out in a clean way!

Yes. As I stated before the guys in college get stickers on their helmets. Except for at Miami where they get nights out at the finest strip clubs Miami has to offer courtesy of Uncle Luke. Where do people think Vilma learned it from?

 

You say it like its the same thing the saints are doing. College stickers are usually rewarded for big plays in general, not injuring opposing players. How can you not see the difference there?

I look at it like this. If it was set up to take cheap shots to ruin people then I hope they suspend the heck out of them. I don't think that's what it was. I think it has gone on forever. I played safety in high school. I entered every game with the mentality that I was going to drop the hammer every chance I got to send a message. I never hit after the whistle but if you were coming across the middle I took it personal. I was going to do everything I could to legally knock your head off and tell you to tell your coach to quit throwing the ball over the middle. If you were a great running back there was nothing more fun than filling the alley. If you were tough has heck going down then I took great pride in teammates standing you up + getting to finish you. To me that is how you play the game. That is how they try to play in the NFL. Unfortunatly athletes have gotten so big+so fast that it has become more dangerous. With all the data coming out with concussions everything is magnified even more.

It is so hard for safety's to play the game now days. You aren't allowed to impose your will like my favorite player Ronnie Lott. I've heard interviews with the old Giants guys like LT who had bounties. I don't think it ever really left that level. If I'm playing the Philly Eagles I am going to try like heck to knock Mike Vick out of the football game every single time he has the ball in his hands! I hope I knock him out of the game! That's football! I would not do it with a cheap shot! That is not what the game is about ruining careers on cheap shots.

With players jumping around to different teams so much I just think it is probably common knowledge that teams are trying to take you out in a clean way!

I don't think you get what the saints were doing. They weren't rewarding big hits or big plays only. They were rewarding INJURING opposing players!

 

I've never heard of a team doing that. Not the 80s giants or any other team.

 

Like its already been said. There was a $10k bounty on Favre, and he took several vicious hits including late hits.

Are you really that naive? With all the player movement given the free agency system do you really think that players are that fundamentally different accross the league? If the players didn't think this "was cool" as you stated why didn't someone speak up and stop it? Are the Saints or Greg Williams teams just more evil than the rest of the league? Of course not. Even if you are naive enough to believe that only Greg Williams teams did this you are talking about hundreds of players over the years that didn't speak up. Why didn't one player come forward? They could have, after they left the team or even retired. The fact is they all know the score. We don't watch football just for the pretty pass plays and 50 yard field goals. We like to see a receiver get almost decapitated going across the middle and still hold onto the ball. We love to see a great peel back block on a kick return. We all love football because it is a violent game. Do you ever go watch flag football? The fact is we like watching people get lit up. The players like lighting people up. It is a pride thing with the players. Kind of like throwing money in the pot for the biggest fish on a fishing trip or longest drive in a golf game. Don't pretend you wouldn't do it too. Every time I tackled an opposing running back I tried my best to drive my helmet through his spine. That's football. It has been that way forever. Back in the day Dick Butkus openly talked about his favorite movie scene being a skull bouncing down the stairs and insinuating that he'd like to do that to someone. If you think this is an isolated occurence you probably believe in unicorns and leprechauns.

 

If you think that a bounty system specifically designed to injure players exists in most locker rooms you are every bit as naive as you say I am.

 

I've played football. I wanted to hurt the man across from me. But I NEVER wanted to injure him. Surely you know the difference between being hurt and injured.

 

And like some former Greg Williams players have stated...at the time they thought what they were doing was right.

 

There's no doubt in my mind there are reward systems throughout the league on EVERY TEAM. But not ones designed and supported by coaches focusing strictly on injuring opposing players.

 

And I dont think the Saints are evil. But I think Sean Payton thinks he can do whatever he wants. And Greg Williams has done it with every team he's been with.