March 4, 201214 yr Big plays, fumbles forced and big hits are different than "knock outs" and "cart offs". There were 2 more former players on ESPN radio this morning talking about it being a common occurrence in the league. I got in on the middle of the interview so I didn't catch the names. They acted like it was only a big deal that the Saints got caught. They mentoned that the bounties weren't necessarily for dirty hits but they certainly acted like certain players on other teams were given extra attention in the form of hits. It's a violent game played by violent men.
March 4, 201214 yr There were 2 more former players on ESPN radio this morning talking about it being a common occurrence in the league. I got in on the middle of the interview so I didn't catch the names. They acted like it was only a big deal that the Saints got caught. They mentoned that the bounties weren't necessarily for dirty hits but they certainly acted like certain players on other teams were given extra attention in the form of hits. It's a violent game played by violent men. I understand it's a violent game. But I've seen several quotes from players saying big hits are okay, but going after someone with the intent to injure is not.
March 4, 201214 yr I understand it's a violent game. But I've seen several quotes from players saying big hits are okay, but going after someone with the intent to injure is not. What do you expect them to say in public? How much trouble do you think they would get in if they admitted it? That's why a lot of former players are addressing it in interviews.
March 4, 201214 yr What do you expect them to say in public? How much trouble do you think they would get in if they admitted it? That's why a lot of former players are addressing it in interviews. That's not a very good argument since players like Woody and Merriman have admitted that they believe some other teams do it. Doesn't mean most do it though.
March 4, 201214 yr That's not a very good argument since players like Woody and Merriman have admitted that they believe some other teams do it. Doesn't mean most do it though. Woody is retired and Merriman said that he believed he was a target of it.
March 5, 201214 yr Woody is retired and Merriman said that he believed he was a target of it. Woody played up until 2010. What's your point? I've seen quotes from players who aren't surprised and think its common throughout the league. I've also seen quotes from players who think it's ridiculous. As if I haven't said it enough, I agree that some sort of bounty system probably exists in every locker room. It exists in college, and probably high school football too. Not necessarily money, but players are rewarded for big hits and forced fumbles. I don't think it's as common to try and injure someone. Knocking them out for a play or two and hitting them hard is different to me than trying to "cart off" a player. I've thought the Saints were a dirty team dating back to that game against the Vikings and Favre. I've also seen several other games where the Saints seem happy when a player gets hurt. Most other teams I watch seem to be concerned for players of the opposing team if it looks like they were injured.
March 5, 201214 yr Here's a good video on this subject Patrick Kerney basically says he's never seen any bounty system on his teams for injuries, and doesn't think this type of bounty system is common throughout the NFL.
March 5, 201214 yr Williams has been summoned to NYC on Monday. I'd like to see some serious punishments for him and for that smug jerk Sean Payton.
March 5, 201214 yr Author I'd like to see some serious punishments for him and for that smug jerk Sean Payton. Washington Post says that Peyton, Williams, the Saints GM, and the player ringleaders all could face suspension.
March 5, 201214 yr Washington Post says that Peyton, Williams, the Saints GM, and the player ringleaders all could face suspension. Half a season isn't enough. Can't stand that organization since Payton has been there.
March 5, 201214 yr Woody played up until 2010. What's your point? I've seen quotes from players who aren't surprised and think its common throughout the league. I've also seen quotes from players who think it's ridiculous. As if I haven't said it enough, I agree that some sort of bounty system probably exists in every locker room. It exists in college, and probably high school football too. Not necessarily money, but players are rewarded for big hits and forced fumbles. I don't think it's as common to try and injure someone. Knocking them out for a play or two and hitting them hard is different to me than trying to "cart off" a player. I've thought the Saints were a dirty team dating back to that game against the Vikings and Favre. I've also seen several other games where the Saints seem happy when a player gets hurt. Most other teams I watch seem to be concerned for players of the opposing team if it looks like they were injured. My point was that you aren't going to get active players that might be involved in something like this to confirm it. Woody is retired, they can't touch him. Merriman never said that his teams had it, just that he thought he was a victim of it. When you put a "big hit" bounty on a player isn't that dangerous as well? The difference in wording is simply semantics, throwing money in a pot and doling it out for extra hard hits is a bounty system. Like I said this kind of stuff made news over 20 years ago--it didn't just pop back up with the Saints. With all the player movement through free agency now I'd say the teams that don't have some form of this, at least amongst the players, are in the minority.
March 5, 201214 yr My point was that you aren't going to get active players that might be involved in something like this to confirm it. Woody is retired, they can't touch him. Merriman never said that his teams had it, just that he thought he was a victim of it. When you put a "big hit" bounty on a player isn't that dangerous as well? The difference in wording is simply semantics, throwing money in a pot and doling it out for extra hard hits is a bounty system. Like I said this kind of stuff made news over 20 years ago--it didn't just pop back up with the Saints. With all the player movement through free agency now I'd say the teams that don't have some form of this, at least amongst the players, are in the minority. Every team in every form of football encourages big hits. The Saints paid players extra to injure someone. There is a difference. And it wasn't just players behind it either. It was the defensive coordinator, the head coach and the GM encouraging it. And it was the GM who ignored the owners instructions to stop it, if I'm not mistaken. If it were as common as you think, it wouldn't just be Greg Williams former teams being investigated at this point.
March 5, 201214 yr If you guys think Hines Ward has never been on the Bengals' "hit list" then I think you guys are nuts, loco, loopy, etc.
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