I see where HT721 is coming from. If I am told of an improper conduct, or suspect it, the policy where I work is that I am to notify either my direct superior and/or the HR department. From there the investigation will proceed. The sticky thing for someone who doesn't actually witness or experience such conduct is that all you have is essentially hearsay. IF Paterno reported what he'd been told and then nothing further was relayed to him, all he could do was continue with the status quo. In HR situations you don't always get told what the results of an investigation were, especially if the investigation doesn't result in anything conclusive.

Who is giving him a pass? I haven't heard anyone give him a pass. Not one person. Mike Golic apparently sounded like he would whip the GA when he sees him.

 

Everything I've read over the last 24 hours has been talking about blaming Joe Pa and the AD, I haven't really seen anyone talk about blaming the GA.

 

Also, what if Joe Pa told the kid to report it to the police and he didn't? I looked up what was supposedly told to Joe Pa by the GA and apparently their grand jury testimonies are very conflicting. So right now the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The GA probably didn't give Joe Pa enough details, but at the same time he probably gave him enough Joe Pa should have been on red alert.

1. He wasn't an eye witness.

2. It's what he was suppose to do. Even the police admit Joe Pa followed the law like he should have. If they could have arrested him they would have. The other officials that were arrested were arrested for not properly reporting it. They are the ones that should have went to the police once Joe Pa called it up. That was the protocol based on what I've seen and read and that's why they are in jail and Joe Pa isn't.

 

Again I will say I'm horrified by what happened and I feel the up most sympathy for the victims. But, all too often we as a society just want to hang everyone we can to feel better about what happened, whether they deserve to hang or not.

You are misconstruing the law and moral obligations here. No person is saying he is going to be convicted here. But Joe Pa is every much the head of that University as the President and other high ranking officials because of his name and stature. As a leader of that institution he had an obligation to go above and beyond what he did. I am sure there is some kind of creed or code all PSU employees adhere to which agree to that.

Why would JoePa keep Sandusky around? JoePa played the 'the less I know the better role' and all he 'knew' was he still had his coordinator. I have a hard time believing any investigation was conducted properly if Sandusky was still a part of the program. All JoePa had to do was tell the GA to call the police but their concern was about PSU and not that kid in the shower.

Everything I've read over the last 24 hours has been talking about blaming Joe Pa and the AD, I haven't really seen anyone talk about blaming the GA.

 

Also, what if Joe Pa told the kid to report it to the police and he didn't? I looked up what was supposedly told to Joe Pa by the GA and apparently their grand jury testimonies are very conflicting. So right now the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The GA probably didn't give Joe Pa enough details, but at the same time he probably gave him enough Joe Pa should have been on red alert.

You think?

 

Shower, grown man, 10 year old boy. This is not rocket science here.

Why? Would you run to the police after a full investigation if the accusations were found to be meritless? I find it hard to believe that most would, most would probably accept what those they trust told them about an investigation.

 

Why would I trust the administration to do the police work?

 

I also find it hard to believe that Joe P working at an educational institution is not required by law to report any suspected abuse to the police. Aren't teachers required to.do this, if so isn't he a "teacher?"

You are misconstruing the law and moral obligations here. No person is saying he is going to be convicted here. But Joe Pa is every much the head of that University as the President and other high ranking officials because of his name and stature. As a leader of that institution he had an obligation to go above and beyond what he did. I am sure there is some kind of creed or code all PSU employees adhere to which agree to that.

 

I still think most that want Joe Pa to go down are using the lynch mob mentality. Something awful happened and we need someone to blame. It's not enough to blame the guilty party, we need to blame others as well, and the more we can bring down the better, because this kind of awful stuff should never happen.

 

And I do agree this stuff should never happen, I just don't tend to think we should punish anyone and everyone possible for the bad deeds of an individual.

Why would I trust the administration to do the police work?

 

I also find it hard to believe that Joe P working at an educational institution is not required by law to report any suspected abuse to the police. Aren't teachers required to.do this, if so isn't he a "teacher?"

 

He wasn't the police investigator in a press conference said something about how he'd love to arrest Joe Pa but he can't because Joe Pa followed the reporting laws. In several states teacher reporting laws require them to report it to their superiors who then report the police and Social Services.

Why? Would you run to the police after a full investigation if the accusations were found to be meritless? I find it hard to believe that most would, most would probably accept what those they trust told them about an investigation.

 

 

I understand that but JoePa is at worst the 2nd most powerful man at PSU. He could have gotten the truth out IF he truly wanted to know the truth. He could also avoid the truth, deflect blame and get away with that also.

Why would JoePa keep Sandusky around? JoePa played the 'the less I know the better role' and all he 'knew' was he still had his coordinator. I have a hard time believing any investigation was conducted properly if Sandusky was still a part of the program. All JoePa had to do was tell the GA to call the police but their concern was about PSU and not that kid in the shower.

 

Unfortunately, a person reporting an alleged incident isn't able to tell the entity to which they're reporting to call the police. I don't know any place that reports an allegation to the police until an internal investigation has been completed, or proceeded to the degree that they feel there is credible information.

 

Think of it this way...anyone can allege something out of nothing...and it could be YOU accused falsely.

 

I am not at all siding on those unconditionally supporting JoePa. But I do believe that HT raises some very valid points in his defense. And I agree with him that there's more to the story than has been revealed at this point.

If he knew that it was being swept under the rug sure. But, right now all we know is that Joe Pa reported it. It may come out that those above him told Joe Pa they did a sweeping investigation in to this and found nothing. Do you blame Joe Pa if those facts come out?

 

That's why I'm not completely ready to throw him to the wolves. Until we know what he was told after reporting it....

I understand that but JoePa is at worst the 2nd most powerful man at PSU. He could have gotten the truth out IF he truly wanted to know the truth. He could also avoid the truth, deflect blame and get away with that also.

 

Sure, but also at the end of the day Joe Pa didn't molest the kids. I honestly think, most of the sentiment against him is people are looking for someone to blame beyond the guilty party. I don't like that Joe Pa didn't do more, but at the same time I don't want him to hang in the town square for the crimes of another.

I still think most that want Joe Pa to go down are using the lynch mob mentality. Something awful happened and we need someone to blame. It's not enough to blame the guilty party, we need to blame others as well, and the more we can bring down the better, because this kind of awful stuff should never happen.

 

And I do agree this stuff should never happen, I just don't tend to think we should punish anyone and everyone possible for the bad deeds of an individual.

But a lot of the lynch mob mentality is spreading because of the alleged facts coming to surface. When the story first broke no person was calling for Joe's head. The length of time this occurred is what is so disturbing. I realize it is easy to say, "If I were in Joe Pa's shoes....". With that said, he is held to a higher standards for the kids/young men he leads every day. This is not just some random bystander.

1. He wasn't an eye witness.

2. It's what he was suppose to do. Even the police admit Joe Pa followed the law like he should have. If they could have arrested him they would have. The other officials that were arrested were arrested for not properly reporting it. They are the ones that should have went to the police once Joe Pa called it up. That was the protocol based on what I've seen and read and that's why they are in jail and Joe Pa isn't.

 

Again I will say I'm horrified by what happened and I feel the up most sympathy for the victims. But, all too often we as a society just want to hang everyone we can to feel better about what happened, whether they deserve to hang or not.

 

I see where HT721 is coming from. If I am told of an improper conduct, or suspect it, the policy where I work is that I am to notify either my direct superior and/or the HR department. From there the investigation will proceed. The sticky thing for someone who doesn't actually witness or experience such conduct is that all you have is essentially hearsay. IF Paterno reported what he'd been told and then nothing further was relayed to him, all he could do was continue with the status quo. In HR situations you don't always get told what the results of an investigation were, especially if the investigation doesn't result in anything conclusive.

Joe Pa is Penn State University and should have continued to press the issue until he knew something had been done. Either it was an unsubtantiated report or a rape occured in the locker room. You two are acting as if Joe Pa was a powerless peon at PSU. Sorry, but I feel he had at least a moral obligation to do more. There isn't any HR protocol that should stop that. Wrong as you may think it is, that's what I feel is the right thing to do in this case. This isn't someone telling a dirty joke...it's the witnessing of a ten year old boy being raped.

 

Regarding the GA, he should have beat Sandusky into an inch of his last breath...

I bet we will find out that this was not the first time he heard these things about his buddy.