November 9, 201114 yr Sometimes it is not enough to follow the letter of the law. This same coach had been investigated only four years before. I have to believe that JoePa didn't wan to get his hands dirty and did the bare minimum. That's not enough to get fired, but it is enough for the moral outrage and backlash that he is receiving. In my opinion, he had a moral obligation and duty as the deity of Happy Valley, to find out what happened or at least instigate the investigation if the higher ups were to chicken poop to do it themselves.Great post.
November 9, 201114 yr Let me ask you this: Say your neighbor comes to you and says the guy accross the street is having sex with boys. Do you go to the police? You've never seen anything out of the ordinary. Just a guy coming and going. No unusal activities at all. Definitely. What would you do in that situation?
November 9, 201114 yr In my world, in the last 3 places I've worked (spanning 20 years), it's either the HR department or my direct superior. I agree if you’re dealing with a sexual harassment complaint, EO complaint, workplace misconduct. However, if someone walked into your office and started shooting people who do you notify? I would call the police, the heck with HR and my boss.
November 9, 201114 yr I agree if you’re dealing with a sexual harassment complaint, EO complaint, workplace misconduct. However, if someone walked into your office and started shooting people who do you notify? I would call the police, the heck with HR and my boss. Again, I'm speaking of incidents of which I'm informed, not that I've witnessed.
November 9, 201114 yr Sometimes it is not enough to follow the letter of the law. This same coach had been investigated only four years before. I have to believe that JoePa didn't wan to get his hands dirty and did the bare minimum. That's not enough to get fired, but it is enough for the moral outrage and backlash that he is receiving. In my opinion, he had a moral obligation and duty as the deity of Happy Valley, to find out what happened or at least instigate the investigation if the higher ups were to chicken poop to do it themselves. I completely agree and this is where I lack sympathy for Paterno and have little understanding about those cheering him. Beyond that, I would speculate that the culture around there obviously didn't reward righteous behavior or else people wouldn't fear a backlash for blowing the whistle on this (I won't be shocked if more people are later revealed to have known or had a good idea about what was going on). That in no way absolves any others of wrong doing, but that sort of complicit attitude starts at the top. I think those adoring fans are putting football ahead of life.
November 9, 201114 yr Again, I'm speaking of incidents of which I'm informed, not that I've witnessed. Okay, so it's correct to assume that if a co-worker told you they saw a guy in the parking lot with a suspicious looking device (possibly a bomb), you'd go to your supervisor instead of immediately contacting the police?
November 9, 201114 yr Here is the grand jury report if you wanted to read some of it. http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf Edited November 9, 201114 yr by HammerTime
November 9, 201114 yr in 1998 Sandusky is investigated by the State College Police for showing with boys and all but admits it during a taped phone conversation and says he isn’t going to stop, yet the district attorney doesn’t file any charges. Sandusky does retire in 1999 to heroes sendoff…. :puke: In 2000 he is physically seen abusing children, yet it goes unreported until now In 2002 he is again physically seen and although it is reported to Paterno no criminal investigation is initiated. In 2008 another reported incident occurs and finally an investigation is initiated, yet he was in the facility as recent as last week? No way in my mind that Paterno, Curley, and the university didn’t do everything possible to cover this up and protect the school and the football program. That is why Paterno must go. Lord knows how many innocent victims have suffered because they were expendable in the eyes of the administration at PSU to avoid embarrassing the university. Edited November 9, 201114 yr by FC
November 9, 201114 yr If it deals with sexual abuse, especially to a child, you better believe it. Without question. Not me. If I see it, yes. If I hear about it I go thru channels and follow up to make sure it's getting the proper attention.
November 9, 201114 yr Okay, so it's correct to assume that if a co-worker told you they saw a guy in the parking lot with a suspicious looking device (possibly a bomb), you'd go to your supervisor instead of immediately contacting the police? Yes.
November 9, 201114 yr Not me. If I see it, yes. If I hear about it I go thru channels and follow up to make sure it's getting the proper attention. While I disagree, that is obviously still more than that scum Joe Pa decided to do. :thumb:
November 9, 201114 yr An interesting link: http://law.jrank.org/pages/11836/Child-Abuse.html At issue here seems to be the duty to report (and to whom) suspicion of vs. knowledge of abuse.
November 9, 201114 yr Yes. So you're conscience is totally clear if what you've been told is true, because you notified your superior or HR, but nothing was done at that level? You don't say to yourself, "boy I was told about that, and if I would have gone the extra yard, perhaps it could have been stopped"? No guilt thinking about those affected by your lassez faire demeanor concerning a very serious offense? Really??
November 9, 201114 yr An interesting link: http://law.jrank.org/pages/11836/Child-Abuse.html At issue here seems to be the duty to report (and to whom) suspicion of vs. knowledge of abuse. Sounds to me, that sitting on the information was against the law. Hopefully they go after Joe Pa to the fullest extent possible.
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