It doesn't bother me when there is not a prayer before the game. It bothers me when a school wants to do it, and people have to run to the law when its done. I don't go to a game to pray or hear one.

 

I agree with you.

 

I loved the butt kickin Bama put on FLA

So do we now make the inaugural prayer a "moment of silence?"

 

Those of you who applaud the moment of silence...that's fine. You just have to be consistent. You can't begin to tell me it's unconstitutional to have public prayer permitted at school & then say it's something different at the inaugural or at the opening of legislative sessions.

Hopeless, then tell me the difference.

 

Kids cant get on loud speaker to pray due to public place and school organized function

Kids can pray in endzone at school function even though at school organized event

Kids cant pray at graduation because it is school function and organized event

Kids can pray in endzone at school function even though at school organized event

 

How is having a moment of silence any good, atheist still see it as a christian thing, shouldnt that be outlawed also.

There are roughly 15 or so pages telling you the difference. That's your homework assignment, go back and read the first thread and then this one.

How many of you that are arguing against the prayer before the game over the loudspeaker are Christians?

 

I am not only a Christian, I am a Baptist Minister and graduate of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville. Does that help the polling?

Do you really not see the difference, or are you just being argumentative?

 

Sometimes I wonder about my brain; this thread (and the other one as well) reminds me of the following exchange in the movie "City Slickers":

 

Mitch: O.K., if you want to watch one show but record another show at the same time, the television set does not have to be on channel 3.

Phil: Yeah it does.

Mitch: No it doesn't.

Phil: It does.

Mitch: No, if you're watching what you're recording, then it has to be on 3.

Phil: What... the TV or... or the machine?

Mitch: The TV.

Phil: You're saying I can record something I'm not even watching?

Mitch: Yes, that's the point. You don't even need a TV to record.

Phil: How would I see it?

Mitch: Well to see it you need a TV.

 

Ed: Shut up! Just shut up! He doesn't get it! He'll never get it! It's been 4 hours! The cows can tape something by now! Forget about it please!

Sometimes I wonder about my brain; this thread (and the other one as well) reminds me of the following exchange in the movie "City Slickers":

 

Mitch: O.K., if you want to watch one show but record another show at the same time, the television set does not have to be on channel 3.

Phil: Yeah it does.

Mitch: No it doesn't.

Phil: It does.

Mitch: No, if you're watching what you're recording, then it has to be on 3.

Phil: What... the TV or... or the machine?

Mitch: The TV.

Phil: You're saying I can record something I'm not even watching?

Mitch: Yes, that's the point. You don't even need a TV to record.

Phil: How would I see it?

Mitch: Well to see it you need a TV.

 

Ed: Shut up! Just shut up! He doesn't get it! He'll never get it! It's been 4 hours! The cows can tape something by now! Forget about it please!

:laugh::laugh:

Yep Bama looked very good, I was surprised the Gators scored. Just responding to the comment.

 

So, Hatz, you feel the public school should not have prayer over the loud speaker, and you are a Baptist Minister. And to obey the law the school has a moment of silence and want to still do something and thats the thread title of this thread. And you have issues with this? Is my question correct?

 

Now others who are not Christian you comments are valued but if you don't care about the teachings of Jesus what does the thread offer to you?

Yep Bama looked very good, I was surprised the Gators scored. Just responding to the comment.

 

So, Hatz, you feel the public school should not have prayer over the loud speaker, and you are a Baptist Minister. And to obey the law the school has a moment of silence and want to still do something and thats the thread title of this thread. And you have issues with this? Is my question correct?

 

Now others who are not Christian you comments are valued but if you don't care about the teachings of Jesus what does the thread offer to you?

 

Larry, please re-read your 2nd paragraph and tell me what it says. It's so jumbled up I can't be sure.

 

Still, I will take a stab at it. You sir are obviously not a student of the history of Baptists and the defense of Religious Liberty for all people (believers and not). Google John Leland and take a cursory look at him or Roger Williams please. Virginia is the source of the First Amendment and Religious Liberty. My Baptist forebearers were jailed and some were whipped because they were not Anglican preachers.

 

It is because of this history that I do not see a need for a public school to promote faith (that is the job of the church, not the state) through a verbal prayer over the loud speaker with a captive audience. I serve a God who is not coercive in outreach. God will not violate the free will given to us while at the same time desiring us as God's own.

 

A moment of silence allows all who chose to pray may do so and those who do not can reflect upon life, the weather or the game. In this scenario how is the right of anyone not protected! It accomplishes exactly the same thing as an audible prayer.

 

There is only one reason for your prayers to HAVE TO BE audible. So that others hear you. (Check out Matthew and tell me how that fits into Jesus' teaching. If your prayers have to be audible, then do you think God is hard of hearing?

 

If however your 2nd paragraph (again, I can't understand what you're truly saying) is saying I'm against the Silence, then you obviously have not really read any of my posts on this entire thread or the other one. I was probably the FIRST one to propose a moment of silence. Why? Because it has worked well here in the school system in Virginia for quite a few years and has been upheld in the courts.

 

To be honest, I wish the majority of individuals who are so worked up over a football prayer were just as passionate over feeding the hungry, listening to the depressed and distraught, and sharing the notion that God loves us all by actually exhibiting tangible acts of mercy and kindness.

Larry, please re-read your 2nd paragraph and tell me what it says. It's so jumbled up I can't be sure.

 

Still, I will take a stab at it. You sir are obviously not a student of the history of Baptists and the defense of Religious Liberty for all people (believers and not). Google John Leland and take a cursory look at him or Roger Williams please. Virginia is the source of the First Amendment and Religious Liberty. My Baptist forebearers were jailed and some were whipped because they were not Anglican preachers.

 

It is because of this history that I do not see a need for a public school to promote faith (that is the job of the church, not the state) through a verbal prayer over the loud speaker with a captive audience. I serve a God who is not coercive in outreach. God will not violate the free will given to us while at the same time desiring us as God's own.

 

A moment of silence allows all who chose to pray may do so and those who do not can reflect upon life, the weather or the game. In this scenario how is the right of anyone not protected! It accomplishes exactly the same thing as an audible prayer.

 

There is only one reason for your prayers to HAVE TO BE audible. So that others hear you. (Check out Matthew and tell me how that fits into Jesus' teaching. If your prayers have to be audible, then do you think God is hard of hearing?

 

If however your 2nd paragraph (again, I can't understand what you're truly saying) is saying I'm against the Silence, then you obviously have not really read any of my posts on this entire thread or the other one. I was probably the FIRST one to propose a moment of silence. Why? Because it has worked well here in the school system in Virginia for quite a few years and has been upheld in the courts.

 

To be honest, I wish the majority of individuals who are so worked up over a football prayer were just as passionate over feeding the hungry, listening to the depressed and distraught, and sharing the notion that God loves us all by actually exhibiting tangible acts of mercy and kindness.

 

Amen.

It is because of this history that I do not see a need for a public school to promote faith (that is the job of the church, not the state) through a verbal prayer over the loud speaker with a captive audience. I serve a God who is not coercive in outreach. God will not violate the free will given to us while at the same time desiring us as God's own.

 

A moment of silence allows all who chose to pray may do so and those who do not can reflect upon life, the weather or the game. In this scenario how is the right of anyone not protected! It accomplishes exactly the same thing as an audible prayer.

 

So I take it you are also opposed to the prayer offered at each Inauguration ceremony, or those offered before Congressional/Senate sessions?

To be honest, I wish the majority of individuals who are so worked up over a football prayer were just as passionate over feeding the hungry, listening to the depressed and distraught, and sharing the notion that God loves us all by actually exhibiting tangible acts of mercy and kindness.

 

And how do you know that they aren't "exhibiting tangible acts of mercy and kindness?"

So I take it you are also opposed to the prayer offered at each Inauguration ceremony, or those offered before Congressional/Senate sessions?

 

Can't speak for Hatz, but in a word, yes.

 

http://blog.beliefnet.com/lynnvsekulow/2009/01/inaugural-prayer-opponents-are.html

Can't speak for Hatz, but in a word, yes.

 

http://blog.beliefnet.com/lynnvsekulow/2009/01/inaugural-prayer-opponents-are.html

 

I disagree, but appreciate that you're consistent on the issues. I've previously read that back-and-forth between Lynn & Sekulow. Pretty good stuff.

^ Hey, at least we live in a place where one of us won't be sent to the Gulag for disagreeing with the other.

^ Hey, at least we live in a place where one of us won't be sent to the Gulag for disagreeing with the other.

 

No doubt. :thumb: