Californians are pretty nuts. When you tell them what the firearm laws in Kentucky are they can not believe it. Kentucky is the total opposite of California in gun laws.

This is a very interesting article I read today on gun rights and regulation for anyone interested: The Secret History of Guns. Seemed relevant.

Are we debating the open carry law?

 

Doesn't logic say that open carry rules would be the same as concealed?

Are we debating the open carry law?

 

Doesn't logic say that open carry rules would be the same as concealed?

 

Are you saying you should need the same level of permit (or no permit at all) to carry either concealed or open?

 

Kentucky allows anyone to open carry without permit.

Are you saying you should need the same level of permit (or no permit at all) to carry either concealed or open?

 

Kentucky allows anyone to open carry without permit.

 

Disclaimer: I am far from knowledgeable about guns.

 

However, it appeared to me that the guy in the video could have his gun loaded in about two seconds.

 

If I am right then, yes, I am saying if you are going a gun, open or concealed, you need a permit.

I think concealed carry permits are a joke. They are intended to educate carriers who want to uphold their second amendment rights, and to protect law enforcement officers by insuring that criminals cannot obtain concealed carry licenses and therefore "cannot carry a concealed weapon" - as if that would prevent criminals from doing so. I would be willing to bet that and easy 99% of the people who are willing to go get their concealed carry licenses are not the ones who law enforcement officers need to worry about committing crimes involving firearms.

FYI:

 

It is perfectly legal in Kentucky to carry a firearm in plain sight as long as you are not on school property or at a location where alcohol is sold by the drink (restaurants and bars). This includes carrying it in vehicles, but the firearm must be in plain sight.

 

California only permits open carrying in unincorporated rural areas where the county has not made it illegal to do so.

FYI:

 

It is perfectly legal in Kentucky to carry a firearm in plain sight as long as you are not on school property or at a location where alcohol is sold by the drink (restaurants and bars). This includes carrying it in vehicles, but the firearm must be in plain sight.

 

California only permits open carrying in unincorporated rural areas where the county has not made it illegal to do so.

Am I wrong in believing that Kentucky recently amended that to include glove box or console storage? I thought I read where it was now considered legal to carry a pistol in those places and you didn't have to have it in plain sight.

Am I wrong in believing that Kentucky recently amended that to include glove box or console storage? I thought I read where it was now considered legal to carry a pistol in those places and you didn't have to have it in plain sight.

 

Looks like you're right about the glove box and console storage. Here's what the KY State Police website provides:

 

http://kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm

 

If you scroll about half-way down the page, you'll find this:

 

I am not prohibited from possessing a firearm, but do not have a carry concealed deadly weapon (CCDW) license. Can I transport a firearm in my vehicle without violating the prohibition in KRS 527.020 against carrying a concealed deadly weapon?

 

• KRS 527.020(8) states in part that: "A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a loaded or unloaded firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction. This subsection shall not apply to any person prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to KRS 527.040."
  

There are no Kentucky Statutes that address the transport of deadly weapons that are too large to store in an enclosed container, compartment, or storage space of a vehicle.

• KRS 527.020(1) states that: "A person is guilty of carrying a concealed weapon when he or she carries concealed a firearm or other deadly weapon on or about his or her person."
  
• KRS 527.020(9) establishes the following penalty: "Carrying a concealed weapon is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the defendant has been previously convicted of a felony in which a deadly weapon was possessed, used, or displayed, in which case it is a Class D felony."
  

 

The above information is provided solely for your convenience and is not intended to constitute a formal legal opinion or legal advice. If you have any additional questions on transporting deadly weapons in a vehicle, including whether a particular means of transportation would violate the prohibition against carrying a concealed deadly weapon, you may wish to consult an attorney.

 

 

 

If you scroll about three-quarters of the way down the page, you’ll come across this:

Where can I openly carry a firearm?

 

There are no Kentucky Revised Statutes that govern the open carry of firearms by persons who lawfully possess such firearms except for the following:

• KRS 527.070 - Unlawful possession (whether carried openly or concealed) of a weapon on school property, except for certain specified exceptions.
  
• KRS 244.125 - Which bars loaded firearms (concealed or otherwise) in places where alcohol is sold by the drink, except for certain specified exceptions.
  

If you have any questions on the open carry of firearms in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, including whether a particular mode of carrying a firearm would be deemed open or concealed carry, you may wish to consult an attorney.

I often travel with my .357 in it's holster resting on the dash.

I think concealed carry permits are a joke. They are intended to educate carriers who want to uphold their second amendment rights, and to protect law enforcement officers by insuring that criminals cannot obtain concealed carry licenses and therefore "cannot carry a concealed weapon" - as if that would prevent criminals from doing so. I would be willing to bet that and easy 99% of the people who are willing to go get their concealed carry licenses are not the ones who law enforcement officers need to worry about committing crimes involving firearms.

 

I would add one more reason for concealed carry and I think it is the one legitimate reason to have these laws. It provides severe penalties to offenders who should not be carrying concealed weapons. If an unauthorized person (criminal) carries, they get hammered. Hopefully that provides some deterrant factor and more importantly, if they get caught they can go back to jail just for carrying. What's wrong with filling out an extra permit to try and provide some deterance?

I guess I misunderstood. I thought the video showed that that you can carry a gun in the open as long as it's not loaded. Did I misunderstand that?

I guess I misunderstood. I thought the video showed that that you can carry a gun in the open as long as it's not loaded. Did I misunderstand that?

Unless I misunderstood, that was a California thing only. Here in KY, you can load that dude.

Disclaimer: I am far from knowledgeable about guns.

 

However, it appeared to me that the guy in the video could have his gun loaded in about two seconds.

 

If I am right then, yes, I am saying if you are going a gun, open or concealed, you need a permit.

 

It looks like California just likes to create new laws. In this case to fix old bad law. From the video the person carrying the unloaded open view gun did so due to inability to get a CCW permit. NOW he looks intimidating because the gun is in plain view.

 

If California just did 'Must Issue' - this would not be happening.

 

In Kentucky, how many people do you see exercising open carry of firearm? Very few. BTW, real open carry is the ability to open carry a loaded gun, not unloaded. Because Kentucky is a must issue state many people have CCW permits. Lots of people are armed in Kentucky - legally - we just do not notice.

 

Also as noted no CCW permit is needed for loaded gun in a glovebox or console. Lots of cars in Kentucky are homes to weapons.