Any influence a President has over the economy is even less today than it was in year's past as we continue to move to a world wide economy. Witness this week in the markets. The driving factor in this week's madness has been the ongoing economic crisis in Europe. What does a President or Congress have to do with that? Bush's years were sabotaged by the new world terror issue that forced him to grow government and put fear in the markets. Clinton's success can probably be attributed to the great technology boom as much as anything. Carter had no chance in the face of inflation run amuck and oil price dominance. Our Presidents are often more a victim or beneficiary of circumstance than they are a controller of their (and our) destiny.

Absolutely ... Presidents get too much credit for the economy's success and way too much blame for its failures.

Any influence a President has over the economy is even less today than it was in year's past as we continue to move to a world wide economy. Witness this week in the markets. The driving factor in this week's madness has been the ongoing economic crisis in Europe. What does a President or Congress have to do with that? Bush's years were sabotaged by the new world terror issue that forced him to grow government and put fear in the markets. Clinton's success can probably be attributed to the great technology boom as much as anything. Carter had no chance in the face of inflation run amuck and oil price dominance. Our Presidents are often more a victim or beneficiary of circumstance than they are a controller of their (and our) destiny.

 

That makes a lot of sense. I wish more people shared your logic.

Honestly, I think there's plenty of people MUCH better equipped to do the job, but they won't run. That's why we end up with guys like Obama, Carter, Bush and their ilk.

 

We have to find a way to get those people involved somehow. I don't know the way to do that but I hate to think there are people capable of fixing or helping to fix our country but choose not to. Kind of unpatriotic if you ask me.

We have to find a way to get those people involved somehow. I don't know the way to do that but I hate to think there are people capable of fixing or helping to fix our country but choose not to. Kind of unpatriotic if you ask me.

I don't think it has anything to do with that not wanting to help and everything to do with either not wanting to be President or not having a chance in hades of getting elected. I personally have to question the sanity of anyone that wants to be President in this day and age. Look what Bush and now Obama have gone through.

I personally have to question the sanity of anyone that wants to be President in this day and age.

 

Chuck Colson described the rationale with one word: POWER.

I don't think it has anything to do with that not wanting to help and everything to do with either not wanting to be President or not having a chance in hades of getting elected. I personally have to question the sanity of anyone that wants to be President in this day and age. Look what Bush and now Obama have gone through.

 

True. A person can still be close to or involved with the White House and affect positive change without necessarily becoming the POTUS.

We have to find a way to get those people involved somehow. I don't know the way to do that but I hate to think there are people capable of fixing or helping to fix our country but choose not to. Kind of unpatriotic if you ask me.

A good start would be if they'd stop scrutinizing every single aspect of their lives. You and I know that's not going to happen though.

Google "felonious monk rant."

 

Hahahahaha....that's good stuff right there. I may have to subscribe to that channel. Thanks, Clyde.

I don't think it matters how good the GOP candidate is, the same people that voted for Obama before will repeat their choice. The GOP will have to have people crawling in from every walk of life, that didn't vote in the last election.

Personally, I believe Obama to be one of the all time worst Presidents, along with Carter. I'm an Independent that will probably vote for Romney. However, if an empty milk carton :cry:gets the GOP nomination this time against Obama, it gets my vote.

I don't think it matters how good the GOP candidate is, the same people that voted for Obama before will repeat their choice.

 

That's a naive statement.

 

I'm too lazy to google it but I'm guessing Candidate Obama killed Candidate McCain in the independent vote. I doubt we'll see that again UNLESS the opposition is someone who is so far to the right that it scares independents.

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That's a naive statement.

 

I'm too lazy to google it but I'm guessing Candidate Obama killed Candidate McCain in the independent vote. I doubt we'll see that again UNLESS the opposition is someone who is so far to the right that it scares independents.

 

In 2008, 52 percent of independents backed Obama over his presidential rival John McCain. He'll keep that margin.

 

The big key is Obama got 96% of the black vote with a large number of those being people who rarely voted prior to his election. They will support him again along with all those with their hands out for entitlements. The support of the unions is also a huge block of votes. Perry or Romney will be the GOP nominee so the Independent vote will stay with Obama also. His share the wealth strategy will not scare enough Independents away.

In 2008, 52 percent of independents backed Obama over his presidential rival John McCain. He'll keep that margin.

 

 

What makes you believe he will keep that margin?

In 2008, 52 percent of independents backed Obama over his presidential rival John McCain. He'll keep that margin.

 

The big key is Obama got 96% of the black vote with a large number of those being people who rarely voted prior to his election. They will support him again along with all those with their hands out for entitlements. The support of the unions is also a huge block of votes. Perry or Romney will be the GOP nominee so the Independent vote will stay with Obama also. His share the wealth strategy will not scare enough Independents away.

 

I don't believe Obama will keep the 52% Independent vote. But I do agree with your assertion that the Independents won't go to Perry. Some of them, maybe a lot of them, will go to Romney. But neither Perry nor Bachmann will wrestle away very many of the I's.

 

I also agree that a key for Obama will be to turn out the voters from 2008 who normally stay on the sidelines on Election Day. He would've won in 2008 without the massive turnout, but he really needs it in 2012...and I think he'll get just enough.