Is your head so firmly planted in the sand that you can't see that there are still issues with race in this country? It's immaterial to this thread but I'm shocked that someone would believe that.

 

I think that and Barbour's sentiments represent the general hardcore Republican stance on race: there is no problem with race in this country, racism is only evident in isolated and individual incidents (this also includes the argument that there are just as many black racists as white racists, so they cancel out), there are no societal or institutional biases, slavery and Jim Crow had no lasting effects, white people are now the victims of structural racism.

 

Don't see either one of them getting the nomination.

 

It would take a perfect storm and a little magic for Palin to win it, I agree. I don't think you can write off Barbour, though. He's a credentialed conservative, popular and successful governor, and says all the right things outside of this instance, but that's not likely to hurt him in the primary unless electability becomes an issue. I think he will be formidable.

I think that and Barbour's sentiments represent the general hardcore Republican stance on race: there is no problem with race in this country, racism is only evident in isolated and individual incidents (this also includes the argument that there are just as many black racists as white racists, so they cancel out), there are no societal or institutional biases, slavery and Jim Crow had no lasting effects, white people are now the victims of structural racism.

 

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IMO there are still many who are OK with the improvements but are tired of hearing when there are still issues and want to throw up their hands and say "C'mom, it's a lot better than it used to be. Quit your crying." IMO those people are plentiful regardless of which ticket they tend to pull the lever for in the voting booth.

IMO there are still many who are OK with the improvements but are tired of hearing when there are still issues and want to throw up their hands and say "C'mom, it's a lot better than it used to be. Quit your crying." IMO those people are plentiful regardless of which ticket they tend to pull the lever for in the voting booth.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think that's a near universal sentiment, unfortunately. But as a political position I think it's strongly articulated by Republicans.

In my experience, the people who feel there is no discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference or religious affiliation, are those who've never been denied something because of one of those issues, or forced to settle for something that is "less" than one who does not fall into one of those protected statuses.

In my experience, the people who feel there is no discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference or religious affiliation, are those who've never been denied something because of one of those issues, or forced to settle for something that is "less" than one who does not fall into one of those protected statuses.

My first day on the job as a pipefitter apprentice back in '66 I was asked by the foreman if I was a " mackerel snapper " I didn't know what he meant , he wanted to know If I was a Roman Catholic . When I told him yes he then informed me he was Baptist and so were most of the men on the job , as long as I worked for him on that job or others I would get the most menial task and was taught a minimun about the trade from him and them , just because I was Catholic .

Years later the shoe was on the other foot and I reciprocated and whenever he worked for me I made sure that he was in the first layoff on any job that I was running or got the dirtiest job available . What goes around comes around .

I didn't know he was a potential POTUS candidate.

One of these days somebody's going to slip up and deny the existence of the Holocaust.

In my experience, the people who feel there is no discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference or religious affiliation, are those who've never been denied something because of one of those issues, or forced to settle for something that is "less" than one who does not fall into one of those protected statuses.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, but I think there is an important distinction between the actions of specific individuals and certain societal predispositions that proliferate those biases. Certainly a God fearing white male can be discriminated against by someone, but that doesn't make it any less advantageous to be one.

In my experience, the people who feel there is no discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference or religious affiliation, are those who've never been denied something because of one of those issues, or forced to settle for something that is "less" than one who does not fall into one of those protected statuses.

 

I think a lot of them also tend to be people who have minimal contact with anybody but their own kind. From my experience, those who think "it's all good, there's no problem here" when it comes to race relations generally come from areas that are overwhelmingly white.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I think there is an important distinction between the actions of specific individuals and certain societal predispositions that proliferate those biases. Certainly a God fearing white male can be discriminated against by someone, but that doesn't make it any less advantageous to be one.

 

I think a lot of them also tend to be people who have minimal contact with anybody but their own kind. From my experience, those who think "it's all good, there's no problem here" when it comes to race relations generally come from areas that are overwhelmingly white.

 

Absolutely agree with both of you. But, the reason I prefaced my post with "in my experience" is literally, that's what I've experienced. I've experienced, but not let it hold me back, discrimination based up on my religion and my gender. I guess to some degree my race, as in someone of another race assumed once that I couldn't play basketball because I was a Catholic White Girl. In reality, it's simply because I'm unusually clumsy and extraordinarily unathletic. :lol:

It would take a perfect storm and a little magic for Palin to win it, I agree. I don't think you can write off Barbour, though. He's a credentialed conservative, popular and successful governor, and says all the right things outside of this instance, but that's not likely to hurt him in the primary unless electability becomes an issue. I think he will be formidable.

I'm writing him off.

Is your head so firmly planted in the sand that you can't see that there are still issues with race in this country? It's immaterial to this thread but I'm shocked that someone would believe that.

 

I did state there are problems, I just feel you over reacted in post #2.

Is the entire interview available anywhere and if so, has anyone read it?

My first day on the job as a pipefitter apprentice back in '66 I was asked by the foreman if I was a " mackerel snapper " I didn't know what he meant , he wanted to know If I was a Roman Catholic . When I told him yes he then informed me he was Baptist and so were most of the men on the job , as long as I worked for him on that job or others I would get the most menial task and was taught a minimun about the trade from him and them , just because I was Catholic .

Years later the shoe was on the other foot and I reciprocated and whenever he worked for me I made sure that he was in the first layoff on any job that I was running or got the dirtiest job available . What goes around comes around .

 

His attitude was not Christian like, but what about yours?

I think that this entire thread is about getting even with someone. No, I have not suffered any of the indignities that some of you have had. I have seen some them, but I believe that many have moved on. We should not forget the past, but it is time for all to put it to rest. No matter how difficult it may be.

An older generation is dying off leaving others who have different attitudes than their parents or grandparents.

His attitude was not Christian like, but what about yours?

I think that this entire thread is about getting even with someone. No, I have not suffered any of the indignities that some of you have had. I have seen some them, but I believe that many have moved on. We should not forget the past, but it is time for all to put it to rest. No matter how difficult it may be.

An older generation is dying off leaving others who have different attitudes than their parents or grandparents.

 

That's all fine and dandy, but that older generation has done a pretty good job of passing along their bigotry to their children and grandchildren.