Bob Redman builds a legacy coaching in Louisville and decides on a new job. In a new state. Indiana.

 

Craig Clayton builds Hopkinsville into a power and decides on a new job. In a new state. Tennessee.

 

John Rodenberg wins a state title at Covington Catholic and then decides to go back to another state. Ohio.

 

Brett Burnett takes Elizabethtown to the state finals and has several D-1 players come through and then decides on a new job. In a new state. Alabama.

 

All of these coaches took their teams to the state finals at some point in their career. Just a few years later, new jobs in new states.

 

How do you view this?

 

a.) Coincidence. They are betting their situation.

 

b.) The cupboards were bare and they got out when they could.

 

c.) Increasing Rules changes by the state, culminating with the move of 7-on-7 this past summer and limiting the number of days in the preseason you can wear pads.

 

d.) In the cases of Redman, Clayton, and Burnett, their runs at the state finals were ended by private schools, bringing the public/private issue into debate

 

e.) Any combination of the above

Coaching is not a good gig in Kentucky, less money, less facilities, more rules, less time to practice, less support, and less talent.....Seems to me other states value being good in football when many places in Ky just want to manage the team.

I'd guess A in almost every situation, coaches are like anyone else they are going to go where they feel like they can better themselves finanacially and work place environment.

I dont buy the "Less time to practice" excuse. With Spring Ball and the ability to instruct from June 1 with the exception of dead period, coaches have PLENTY of time. In Ohio, you get 7 instructional days during summer and NO spring ball. The rest is limited to lifting/running. If colleges can begin in the first or second week of August, I think Ky is more than generous with the time they allow you to spend with kids.

 

You are not going to see coaches stick around like Coach Schneider at New Cath. In general, people get a job for a couple of years, learn from it and move on. 30, 40 and 50 years ago, people held on to their jobs and were loyal to their companies, whether it was P&G or a coaching position at a high school.

Bob Redman builds a legacy coaching in Louisville and decides on a new job. In a new state. Indiana.

 

Craig Clayton builds Hopkinsville into a power and decides on a new job. In a new state. Tennessee.

 

With these two, it was simple finances. Once you get to 30 years in the KRS, you start working for free essentially. Why not move 60 miles and collect retirement + a second full salary?

Some coaches will coach long enough in a system to collect retirement and then go to another state/school system to work for either more money or more retirement plans. My coach did that. Came from OH after a long distinguished career. Taught and coached in KY long enough to qualify for some sort of pension.

 

So, my guess is that the majority of the time it's for financial reasons.

I dont buy the "Less time to practice" excuse. With Spring Ball and the ability to instruct from June 1 with the exception of dead period, coaches have PLENTY of time. In Ohio, you get 7 instructional days during summer and NO spring ball. The rest is limited to lifting/running. If colleges can begin in the first or second week of August, I think Ky is more than generous with the time they allow you to spend with kids.

 

You are not going to see coaches stick around like Coach Schneider at New Cath. In general, people get a job for a couple of years, learn from it and move on. 30, 40 and 50 years ago, people held on to their jobs and were loyal to their companies, whether it was P&G or a coaching position at a high school.

 

Colleges begin in the second week of august because they don't play until September. College players are working almost every day year round. They can start later because they have been doing stuff pretty much non-stop.

Coaching is not a good gig in Kentucky, less money, less facilities, more rules, less time to practice, less support, and less talent.....Seems to me other states value being good in football when many places in Ky just want to manage the team.

 

You said it. They (schools, administrations, communities, etc.) just flat out care about it more in GA, Bama, South Carolina, Florida and even in Mississippi. Here, people wow (as they should) over the X, T's, Highlands, etc.; you go down into the deep south and you have schools with their kind of talent, communitiy support, facilities, etc. all over the place, dang near everywhere you look.

With these two, it was simple finances. Once you get to 30 years in the KRS, you start working for free essentially. Why not move 60 miles and collect retirement + a second full salary?

 

Yep.

Colleges begin in the second week of august because they don't play until September. College players are working almost every day year round. They can start later because they have been doing stuff pretty much non-stop.

 

College football started last night. College coaches do not have their players out there every day in the summer practicing football. Most high schools started last week, one week difference from college so why do high school coaches need more time? KY HS coaches have 9 weeks in summer and August, 3 with full equipment to prepare for Game 1.

Other than the reasons already mentioned, and this was touched upon by Harry Doyle, Kentucky is a basketball state. Basketball gets all the hoopla. In Tennessee, Ohio, and, considering Notre Dame's location, Indiana, football reigns. It's closer in Indiana but since Bobby Knight left, not as much has happened there in basketball.

Those college kids are working out together on their own during the summer. HS do not have their kids out there every day during the summer working. They do have spring ball and when those coaches do get them they get the with more time than a HS is going to. Your also talking about guys that have been playing football for a long time so it is mainly scheme and technique. HS you have much more refinement and base teaching. Same sport but completely different animals between HS and large college.

 

There is a number of reason guys are leaving. The retirement portion makes sense completely. Some of the coaches that have left to go to states in the south are TFS guys. I meet guys all over the place going to those clinics and since KY is sort of the birth place of the TFS and to a degree the Air Raid offense those southern states tend to pluke KY HS coaches that know it. Some of those states pay large amounts of money and the coaches have less duties outside of football.

 

In the end it is E) a combination of all of the above.

College football started last night. College coaches do not have their players out there every day in the summer practicing football. Most high schools started last week, one week difference from college so why do high school coaches need more time? KY HS coaches have 9 weeks in summer and August, 3 with full equipment to prepare for Game 1.

 

Actually they do, their strength coaches that is. Most colleges, especially those D1 and 1-AA schools workout all summer long. The student-athletes stay on campus over the summer working and/or taking summer school classes, then have daily workouts. The football coaches can't be with them during the workouts, but the players themselves take initiatives and do a lot of 7 on 7, linemen work, etc. on their own.

 

College and high school preseason camps are night and day different as far as preperation time needed. Sure, high schools have 8 weeks of practice time and colleges have 4 weeks, but what most don't understand is that colleges go 4 weeks of nothing, but football. Case in point; a typical 2-a-day camp for college teams includes morning strength/conditioning workouts, pre-practice position meetings (reviewing last practice film and introducing next practice schudule, schemes, etc), then practice, then post practice position meetings (see above), typically a couple hour break, back for pre practice meeting, practice, post practice meeting then ending with training table.

 

If high schools could do nothing but football for 4 weeks, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week; then that's all the time they would need, also. As you know though, theres now way possible. Colleges do more in 4 weeks than high schools do in 8. Take that to the bank. No comparison.

Some coaches come here from out of state. Coach Beatty of Trinity moved here from Missouri.

I think the reason it happens is because most coaches in Kentucky "really" have to teach classes. In other states majority of coaches only coach and still make enough money to live and provide for their family. I have two friends in Georgia who are head coaches at public schools, but they do not have to teach and still make 50,000 dollars a year. Kentucky does not really commit to this thought process. I'm not really for it or against it, but I know many coaches feel that they are providing positive outcomes for their school and community by simply coaching. Especially in football it is a year around job with two weeks in the summer and a week or so during Christmas off. Coaches who teach are at school from 7 A.M. until 8 or 9 at night, when you think about it this may be a reason KY highschool football coaches leave for other states.