Actually they do, their strength coaches that is. Most colleges, especially those D1 and 1-AA schools workout all summer long. The student-athletes stay on campus over the summer working and/or taking summer school classes, then have daily workouts. The football coaches can't be with them during the workouts, but the players themselves take initiatives and do a lot of 7 on 7, linemen work, etc. on their own.

 

College and high school preseason camps are night and day different as far as preperation time needed. Sure, high schools have 8 weeks of practice time and colleges have 4 weeks, but what most don't understand is that colleges go 4 weeks of nothing, but football. Case in point; a typical 2-a-day camp for college teams includes morning strength/conditioning workouts, pre-practice position meetings (reviewing last practice film and introducing next practice schudule, schemes, etc), then practice, then post practice position meetings (see above), typically a couple hour break, back for pre practice meeting, practice, post practice meeting then ending with training table.

 

If high schools could do nothing but football for 4 weeks, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week; then that's all the time they would need, also. As you know though, theres now way possible. Colleges do more in 4 weeks than high schools do in 8. Take that to the bank. No comparison.

 

 

You said above that the college coaches arent allowed with those kids, but in KY the high school coaches are allowed. HS kids are having organized and instructional practices every day with their coaching staffs with the exception of full contact, minus the dead period Coaches are using blocking shields, sleds and any other resource necessary to get the most out of their summer days. I disagree with you and think that there is only a night and day difference to how high school practices were ran 20 years ago vs today. Schools like Highlands and CovCath and many more are putting in that amount of time.

 

In Ky the first official day of practice is around june 1 with helmets only. the first contact day is around Aug 1 depending on when u start school. With college football, the first official day is around week 2 of August.

I can only speak for Cov Cath and the situation with John Rodenberg. Coach Rodenberg wasn't ever in with the Cov Cath program for any kind of long haul. He took the job as a resume builder. He was even fairly upfront about acknowledging that while interviewing for the position as head coach, which in the end was why he did not receive the approval from former head coach Lynn Ray, who was one of the members on the selection committee. In fact, I believe Coach Ray's exact words upon hearing the announcement that Rodenberg was hired were, "Well, he's not going to be around for long."

 

Rodenberg is working his way towards a NCAA head coaching position. Cov Cath was an early step in that process. He came to Cov Cath on the tails of his success at McNicholas High School, which I would say ranks among the lower-to-mid tier GCL programs. When he took over, Cov Cath was a so-so program, and Rodenberg led them to win a state championship within 18 months of accepting the job. Then he went back to his alma mater, Roger Bacon, a struggling GCL program. I would assume he had plans to build their program up into Cincinnati power, but then he was offered the job at Moeller, and accepted it. He's now coaching a team that found themselves nationally ranked last season, and I would kind of expect to see them in the same place come late October or so. I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever to see Rodenberg at the helm...or at least as the coordinator of a NCAA team within the next 5 years.

Another high-profile guy who left was LexCath's Coach Sphire, who's now coaching one of the big powers down in Georgia.

Sphire is another one of those guys that got connected through the TFS. Jepp Irwen (sp?) and I believe Duffey (the son) are two others that have went out of state in the south due to connections like that.

 

Using Beatty as an example of moving in is not the best. Trinity is a very high profile job in KY and most coaches would move to coach at one of th etop programs in any state. I could be wrong but I thought Trinity used a search committee. Not sure how they went about it but if that was the case they were looking and there is not as many options in state. St X, Trinity and Highlands are 3 programs that would draw applicants from out of state.

Sphire is another one of those guys that got connected through the TFS. Jepp Irwen (sp?) and I believe Duffey (the son) are two others that have went out of state in the south due to connections like that.

 

Using Beatty as an example of moving in is not the best. Trinity is a very high profile job in KY and most coaches would move to coach at one of th etop programs in any state. I could be wrong but I thought Trinity used a search committee. Not sure how they went about it but if that was the case they were looking and there is not as many options in state. St X, Trinity and Highlands are 3 programs that would draw applicants from out of state.

What is the TFS?

Now it is just refered to as "The System". It is The Tony Franklin System. KY was (still is to a degree) a hotbed for the Air Raid system. It made a number of coaches in the state very popular as far as job offers. When you go to the clinics as a staff over and over you begin to develop a relationship with all the other staffs. So when a job comes open you get a call. They don't have to teach ro train you anything and the team hits the ground running. Look at Texas Tech, Troy, and MTSU and you'll see a number of guys on those staffs started out at HS running the TFS.

St X, Trinity and Highlands are 3 programs that would draw applicants from out of state.

 

St. X, Trinity and Highlands...and Male...and Cov Cath...they're all within like 3 miles of another state. Hopkinsville is like 10 or 15 miles from Tennessee...Elizabethtown is 25 or 30 miles from Indiana. I think they're all relatively likely to draw from out of state.