LT Colonel to be Court Martialed

[PepRock01]

The increase was to help America. Our governmet was trustworthy then.

 

 

Do you also think the 1950's were a happier more innocent time?

[nWo]

In the 40s our government was trusted to do the right thing. FDR wasnt shaddy like Obama. We had to fight Hitler, we dont know who we are fighting now. I dotn like Obama, either Bush, or a lot of them. Too much politics now against common people. All about big money and personal gain. Obama was given a silver spoon to use, do you think he cares about an average person?

You might want to go back and check up on the some of FDR's history. He did some shady things that if found out, back then, would have more than like caused him to be impeached. Some of the things he did to help Great Britain were against the neutrality act. He used loopholes to get around it.

[jericho]

Do you also think the 1950's were a happier more innocent time?

 

I would have loved to live then.

[Hatz]

I would have loved to live then.

 

Unless you were African-American and living in the Jim Crow South. :thumb:

[jericho]

You might want to go back and check up on the some of FDR's history. He did some shady things that if found out, back then, would have more than like caused him to be impeached. Some of the things he did to help Great Britain were against the neutrality act. He used loopholes to get around it.

 

kind of like our CIA training the Afghans in the 80s or us giving Iran weapons for the hostages. We had to help Britain, they were the only free country left in europe.

[Hatz]

kind of like our CIA training the Afghans in the 80s or us giving Iran weapons for the hostages. We had to help Britain, they were the only free country left in europe.

 

Or

 

* The way in which the US Military controlled the Phillipines in early 20th century while much of America knew little about it.

 

* The way the US military may have set up the border confrontation with Mexico in 1845 and helped provoke the Mexican War of that year.

 

* The way the government and others stoked the fires of war against Spain in 1898 after the Maine blew up.

 

My point is, just when Jericho can we have "trusted the government," as you assert earlier in the thread? We can always find times and ways to distrust that our government acted honorably just like we can always find times when our government/military did act honorably.

[PepRock01]

I would have loved to live then.

 

Yes a much better time when there was open discrimination of women and minorities that was legislated into existence. A time when men could drink at work, abuse their wives and/or children and no one would say a word about it. When a DUI simply got a slap on the wrist and a disapproving nod. A time when senators were performing witch hunts and runining the lives of anyone who had passed by a bookstore that had once held a copy of the Communist Manifesto.

 

Oh yes those were the days!

[PepRock01]

Or

 

* The way in which the US Military controlled the Phillipines in early 20th century while much of America knew little about it.

 

* The way the US military may have set up the border confrontation with Mexico in 1845 and helped provoke the Mexican War of that year.

 

* The way the government and others stoked the fires of war against Spain in 1898 after the Maine blew up.

 

My point is, just when Jericho can we have "trusted the government," as you assert earlier in the thread? We can always find times and ways to distrust that our government acted honorably just like we can always find times when our government/military did act honorably.

 

And to the bolded deliberately ignored the Navy's pre-eminent ordinance expert regarding the explosion of the Maine and instead went with a committee's findings that were precisely what President McKinley wanted them to be so they could have an excuse to declare war.

[PepRock01]

This Lt. Colonel is lucky we aren't in a declared war, the consequences under martial law would be much worse.

[History]

Yes a much better time when there was open discrimination of women and minorities that was legislated into existence. A time when men could drink at work, abuse their wives and/or children and no one would say a word about it. When a DUI simply got a slap on the wrist and a disapproving nod. A time when senators were performing witch hunts and runining the lives of anyone who had passed by a bookstore that had once held a copy of the Communist Manifesto.

 

Oh yes those were the days!

 

And a time when Americans took pride in being Americans, not wishing they were born elsewhere. A time when the USA was the best and proud of it, not ashamed of our past success. If ya don't like it here-go elsewhere. If you have a passport and the cash and are not on a terrorist list-the world can be yours-pick your place-just don't bash mine!

[nWo]

kind of like our CIA training the Afghans in the 80s or us giving Iran weapons for the hostages. We had to help Britain, they were the only free country left in europe.

So violating a law of the United States didn't matter? I thought the President swore to uphole the laws and constitution of the United States?

[CoachBuckett]

I have a big problem with this guy not wanting to follow orders. I action should taken and he be made the example.

 

Bottom line Obama is the President. I don't get caught up on who serves the military. Last time I checked it wasn't a requirement to be President.

[Getslow]

I think Peprock's point is that the past isn't some magical place and that "the good old days" were never really that good. For what it's worth, if that's what he meant, I agree: there's no better time to be a citizen of this country than right now.

[PepRock01]

I think Peprock's point is that the past isn't some magical place and that "the good old days" were never really that good. For what it's worth, if that's what he meant, I agree: there's no better time to be a citizen of this country than right now.

 

 

Precisely.

[PepRock01]

And a time when Americans took pride in being Americans, not wishing they were born elsewhere. A time when the USA was the best and proud of it, not ashamed of our past success. If ya don't like it here-go elsewhere. If you have a passport and the cash and are not on a terrorist list-the world can be yours-pick your place-just don't bash mine!

 

 

Points to consider:

 

I see no problem with being proud to be an American. I am.

 

I am not at all ashamed of our past successes, in fact I am not even ashamed of many of the things that most would percieve as our failings because that would indicate a moral judgement of history which I will not do either.

 

I am not bashing America I am just pointing out inconsistencies. Anyone in the "moral majority" who wants to bash today and talk about the "Golden Age" of the 1950's is living in a dream world because injustice and "Anti-American" activities were occurring then too.

 

Believe me there are few on this board as willing to use force as I am and in fact I would dare say I am more willing to be amoral about things whether you perceive it as good or bad.

 

This however illustrates why I don't post here as often as I used to anymore. As soon as you indicate a counterpoint even if the odds are good that the person you mention it to agrees with you on more things than not, you will be instantly branded as:

 

Liberal

Communist

Socialist

America-Hater

Lolly-gagger

 

Okay so I added the last one for kicks, but I hope I made my point.