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Mississippi State has only themselves to blame for not making the field, based on their non-conference schedule.

 

Arkansas-Pine Bluff is in the play-in game having won the SWAC with a 17-15 record. They started the season 0-11. Went 14-4 in the conference.

 

During that 0-11 start --

 

Lost to UTEP by 18

Lost to Arizona State by 17

Lost to Michigan by 14

Lost to Oklahoma State by 15

Lost to Georgia Tech by 12

Lost to Missouri by 18

Lost to Kansas State by 14

 

 

No wins but no blowout losses either.

 

The average SOS of the non-conference teams APB played was 78.

The average SOS of the non-conference teams Miss. State played was 178.

 

No BCS conference basketball school should complain about not getting into the tournament when they have Bethune-Cookman, Texas Pan American, and Centenary on their schedule.

bugatti

bugatti

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Mississippi State has only themselves to blame for not making the field, based on their non-conference schedule.

 

Arkansas-Pine Bluff is in the play-in game having won the SWAC with a 17-15 record. They started the season 0-11. Went 14-4 in the conference.

 

During that 0-11 start --

 

Lost to UTEP by 18

Lost to Arizona State by 17

Lost to Michigan by 14

Lost to Oklahoma State by 15

Lost to Georgia Tech by 12

Lost to Missouri by 18

Lost to Kansas State by 14

 

 

No wins but no blowout losses either.

 

The average SOS of the non-conference teams APB played was 78.

The average SOS of the non-conference teams Miss. State played was 178.

 

No BCS conference basketball school should complain about not getting into the tournament when they have Bethune-Cookman, Texas Pan American, and Centenary on their schedule.

Mississippi State along with Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, etc. I do not feel the least bit sorry for any of these schools.

mobaar

mobaar

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Mississippi State has only themselves to blame for not making the field, based on their non-conference schedule.

 

Arkansas-Pine Bluff is in the play-in game having won the SWAC with a 17-15 record. They started the season 0-11. Went 14-4 in the conference.

 

During that 0-11 start --

 

Lost to UTEP by 18

Lost to Arizona State by 17

Lost to Michigan by 14

Lost to Oklahoma State by 15

Lost to Georgia Tech by 12

Lost to Missouri by 18

Lost to Kansas State by 14

 

 

No wins but no blowout losses either.

 

The average SOS of the non-conference teams APB played was 78.

The average SOS of the non-conference teams Miss. State played was 178.

 

No BCS conference basketball school should complain about not getting into the tournament when they have Bethune-Cookman, Texas Pan American, and Centenary on their schedule.

 

This is a completely ridiculous argument (and I dont' disagree that MSU can only blame themselves).

 

1) Ark-PB lost the games you listed by an average of 15 points. If thats a positive, then the system is crap.

 

2) Non BCS schools have to schedule tought non con schedules because their conference schedules are so weak. You have to look at overall SOS.

 

Ark-PB: Non Con SOS= 3, Overall SOS = 308

MSU: Non Con SOS= 143, Overall SOS = 70

 

3) Every BCS team plays cupcakes (which allows teams like Ark-PB to have such good non con SOS). Duke played NC Greensboro, Gardner-Webb, and Penn. Those three are as bad or worse than the teams MSU played.

 

4) Ark-PB is only made it because of the automatic bid. They wouldn't have made it any other way. Not sure why we're comparing them to a bubble team.

The Scribe

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You have to mix some meat in with the cupcakes or you crash like Mississippi State did.

 

But you can't tell me that Mississippi State didn't know the SEC West was going to be down this year and couldnt have adjusted their non-conference schedule to compensate.

 

APB knew their conference was going to be down and scheduled accordingly. Miss. State did not. Florida benefitted from playing Tennessee, kentucky, and Vandy twice. And it helped their RPI and SOS.

mobaar

mobaar

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You have to mix some meat in with the cupcakes or you crash like Mississippi State did.

 

But you can't tell me that Mississippi State didn't know the SEC West was going to be down this year and couldnt have adjusted their non-conference schedule to compensate.

 

APB knew their conference was going to be down and scheduled accordingly. Miss. State did not. Florida benefitted from playing Tennessee, kentucky, and Vandy twice. And it helped their RPI and SOS.

 

Its a lot tougher to add quality opponents late in the scheduling process than it is to add cupcakes.

 

APB knew that only one SWAC team was getting in, and it would be the tourney winner, so they could take as many pay days from BCS schools as they wanted. Their schedule had nothing to do with trying to improve their tourney resume.

ColonelCrazy

ColonelCrazy

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You know that how?

 

Seems odd that you ask how mobaar knew that Ark-Pine Bluff knew certain things when you say that "you can't tell me MSU did not know the SEC West would be down."

 

Arkansas Pine-Bluff would not be in the NCAA tournament if they did not win their conference tournament.

 

Mississippi State beat Ole Miss twice. In the first matchup, Ole Miss was a top 25 team. MSU won that game on the road. Miss. St. also beat Old Dominion (who I believe got an at-large bid) and won @ Houston.

 

One of Mississippi State's "bad losses" is to Richmond, who turned out to be a tournament team.

 

I thought the winner of the Florida / Mississippi State game was going to get in. I am surprised that Florida got in and Mississippi State did not.

Hatz

Hatz

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You have to mix some meat in with the cupcakes or you crash like Mississippi State did.

 

But you can't tell me that Mississippi State didn't know the SEC West was going to be down this year and couldnt have adjusted their non-conference schedule to compensate.

 

APB knew their conference was going to be down and scheduled accordingly. Miss. State did not. Florida benefitted from playing Tennessee, kentucky, and Vandy twice. And it helped their RPI and SOS.

 

I hear what you are saying but didn't MSU play:

 

Richmond (NCAA & lost by 1 point @ neutral site while Florida also lost to Richmond)

 

Old Dominion (win vs. NCAA participant)

 

Florida (NCAA) in the SEC tourney

 

Vanderbilt (NCAA) in the SEC tourney

 

and had the 2 OT games with UK (NCAA)

 

Now, how is their performance that much less than Florida? :idunno:

Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason

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MSU played 15 non conference games prior to Jan. conference schedule. The only "name" non conference opponent was UCLA and that didn't help this year. Their SOS of that non conference schedule was 143. Eight of those opponents were 166 or lower and 4 were 294 or lower. Enough said.

woodsrider

woodsrider

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Mississippi State has only themselves to blame for not making the field, based on their non-conference schedule.

 

Arkansas-Pine Bluff is in the play-in game having won the SWAC with a 17-15 record. They started the season 0-11. Went 14-4 in the conference.

 

During that 0-11 start --

 

Lost to UTEP by 18

Lost to Arizona State by 17

Lost to Michigan by 14

Lost to Oklahoma State by 15

Lost to Georgia Tech by 12

Lost to Missouri by 18

Lost to Kansas State by 14

 

 

No wins but no blowout losses either.

 

The average SOS of the non-conference teams APB played was 78.

The average SOS of the non-conference teams Miss. State played was 178.

 

No BCS conference basketball school should complain about not getting into the tournament when they have Bethune-Cookman, Texas Pan American, and Centenary on their schedule.

I agree the overall point your trying to make but completely disagree with the way you are trying to make it. It just doesn't make since.

 

If MSU takes care of business with the schedule they had they are in. If APB doesn't win their conference tourny they aren't in. End of story.

woodsrider

woodsrider

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MSU played 15 non conference games prior to Jan. conference schedule. The only "name" non conference opponent was UCLA and that didn't help this year. Their SOS of that non conference schedule was 143. Eight of those opponents were 166 or lower and 4 were 294 or lower. Enough said.

And none of that would have matter had they beaten Ryder and won at least one of the two between WKU and Richmond. They went 9-7 in a down SEC. Combine that with the 3 bad non conference losses and they are on the outside looking in.

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