With the recent killings of kids, I wonder why do judges continue to let them out of jail???? It has been proven that they can NOT be rehabilitated. Please write your Senators, representatives and Judges saying you will not vote for them if they do not impose harsher punishment for these people. I am not talking about an 18 year old boy having sex with a 17 year old girl either. The ones who rape our little kids and throw them in the trash after they kill them. I am for killing them myself, they do not deserve to live if found undoubtedly guilty. Why let them out to kill and rape again.:madman:

Edited March 9, 201016 yr by bugatti

They need to be burned at the stake.

Of course they can't be rehabilitated. Jail doesn't rehabilitate people. Child molesters need to be classified for what they are -- mentally disturbed -- and treated as such. The penal system isn't built to handle these kinds of people. In fact, I don't think we have a system currently in place to handle these kinds of people. That said, any system that could properly handle these individuals would be fabulously expensive.

It is an ugly system. People want harsh penalties but if every case went to trial they would be backed up for years, not to mention if it goes to trial the person could walk. And factor in a young kid would have to take the stand. Something needs to be done though, I would propose a minimum of a 25 years sentence for anyone convicted of sexual assault, as opposed to the guys getting 4-10 years now. Rape and more severe cases life...

Edited March 9, 201016 yr by John Anthony

Of course they can't be rehabilitated. Jail doesn't rehabilitate people. Child molesters need to be classified for what they are -- mentally disturbed -- and treated as such. The penal system isn't built to handle these kinds of people. In fact, I don't think we have a system currently in place to handle these kinds of people. That said, any system that could properly handle these individuals would be fabulously expensive.

 

One gun, many bullets - it doesn't have to be expensive.

They all need 1 therapy session with Lorena Bobbitt. :scared:

and her...

I want to preface my comments by saying that I do not in any way condone the actions of a predator or child molester, and point of fact is that no child molester of one of my children would ever have to struggle with the court system. He would be dead long before.

 

That said, please consider this:

 

Point #1: Child abuse and child molesting charges are extraordinarily easy to fabricate. In fact, in Kentucky, and in most states, there need not be any evidence at all whatsoever in order for an indictment to be handed down by a grand jury, other than a child making the flat statement "he touched me." No witnesses, no physical evidence, proof of motive, anything. The statement is enough not only to get an indictment, but to surivive the pre-trial process and go all the way to a jury trial.

 

I know many of you will not believe me when I say that, and about all I can offer is for you to come on down and observe. It happens every day. Children, particularly high school kids whom have learned how to manipulate the system, and younger children who are very impressionable, make statements for a multiplicity of reasons and the Cabinet for Families & Children is so finely attuned to the statements of a child that they make almost no effort at all to determine whether the statement is true, and an indictment is almost automatic. There are SOME cases where there is also physical evidence (i.e., semen, injury, broken hymen (which is not determinative)), but those cases are few and far between.

 

What this leads to is a system in which the fabrication of a criminal charge against an individual can arise for a number of reasons - parents dueling in a divorce or custody case, monetary extortion, etc. - that are groundless.

 

Here is a case in point - I had 6 cases in 2009 that were sexual abuse or rape of minors. In all but one, the charges against the Defendant were dismissed entirely prior to trial because the prosecutor uncovered evidence of fabrication rather than supporting the charge. Two of those involed entirely recanted statements. In one case I had a couple of years ago, a teacher who had been wrongfully accused had the charge dismissed for fabrication, but ahad already had his teaching license revoked by the EPSB for 20 years and career ruined.

 

These are NOT isolated examples. I would ask you to take that into consideration.

 

Point #2 concerns the Court system - Many people don't really look at it this way, but in any criminal prosecution, a Defendant has 2 choices

 

a) Accept a plea offer

b) Go to a jury trial

 

There are really no other alternatives.

 

In order to convict a Defendant of the sexual offense, the victim MUST testify, unless you have that absolute unheard of rarity of a case in which the offense was personally witnessed by some third party, and even then the fact of the matter remains that the jury wants to hear from the victim. You CANNOT introduce hearsay testimony - i.e., "the child told me that she had been raped" - and you CANNOT introduce opinion testimony - i.e., "in my opinion as a cabinet caseworker, I believe she was raped" - from anyone other than doctors. As aforementioned, medical proof is rare.

 

What this means is that the prosecutor is left with the prospect of trying to put small children, traumatized children, teenage girls with lascivious backgrounds, and other minors, through the stress and trauma of a public jury trial. Sometimes that is incomprehensible. So, the prosecutor makes a plea offer that is much lower than what you or I would like in order to settle the case and make it go away. You should know that in the vast majority of sex cases settled by plea, the parents of the child sign off on the agreement as satisfactory. The prosecutor can sometimes be in a very difficult position.

 

Finally, the judge does not have the same authority in sentencing as you all probably expect. If the case is a trial, then the jury recommends sentence, and the judge may accept that or lower it, but not raise it. Certainly if a judge lowers a jury sentence then I agree with your beef, but I've never actually seen that in most Kentucky jurisdictions.

 

If the case is a plea, the judge may reject a plea, and if he does so then the Defendant has the right to proceed to his jury trial. Consider the mechanism of that. An elected official, the judge, goes against what another elected official whom he essentially serves with, the prosecutor, has recommended. He also goes against what the parent has usually signed off on. He also forces a child to go to public trial. He also ties of the court system with a trial case.

 

If we force indictments down the throat of the court system in order to satisfy our outrage, not just in child molestation cases but in ANY case, 768 years of Western law would come grinding to a halt as every single Defendant said that they want a jury trial. What elese would they have to lose? You offer them the max, why wouldn't they roll the dice and take their chances with a jury? Cases would be backed up for years as we tried cases, resources consumed, witnesses disappear, . . . you get my point.

 

The process is imperfect at best, but I do not believe that we should rapidly alter thigns in order to satisfy a bloodlust driven by media scrutiny of some high profile cases.

 

Just my .02.

One gun, many bullets - it doesn't have to be expensive.

 

I agree. My response to many court system caes is "didn't she have any brothers?":lol:

Well spoken Hearsay thats what I tried to sum up but you are the pro on it. Its a tough system...

Yes you did a good job explaining. But kids like the 5 and 8 yr olds being killed cant make stuff up.

I understand the point being made by Hearsay...BUT when there is a clear indication of guilt, DNA evidence, confession, etc. Let's just brand them in the middle of their foreheads as a warning to others....

Yes you did a good job explaining. But kids like the 5 and 8 yr olds being killed cant make stuff up.

 

You mentioned in your first post about recent cases? Any case in particular? As this stuff has been going on forever.

 

I agree that is someone does this stuff to a 5-8 year old and kills the kid, and there is no doubt that they did it, they need to be dealt with a lot harder.

The girl in Fla who was found ina GA garbage dump.

The two teens from CALIF

The list could go on and on.

I'm all for bringing back cruel death penalties (the gallows etc.) for Child molestors. It's the worst crime someone can commit and I would have no problem if all recieved the death penalty. Obviously not the 18 year old with a 17 year old, but but the actually creeps. Throw them in cells with the nastiest brawlers in our federal prisons and let them have at it for about a year. As for the Lorena Bobbit treatment it should happen as soon as they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.