I am surprised that none of the Yates players have been injured by being undercut on a dunk or layup. Or have a broken nose from a point blank baseball pass while guarding the inbounds while pressing:thumb:. Based on the Davis coach response, I would say he has a lot of self control or no nads.

You pose an excellent question. I believe there is a little difference, but neither situation should be strived for during a blowout. The problem with this is what do we consider a blowout?

 

I had a JV official decide he would teach me a lesson pressing up 20 points. I had 15 players dressed, this was the style of game that could get them minutes and it was in the first half when he took over. I havent mentioned that their team was undefeated and playing at home. I held to my guns and we lost with 8 players fouling out, and 7 with 3 or more. He clearly thought I was being unsportsmanlike and was wrong. The only thing he accomplished was confusing my young players on how to attempt to play defense.

 

I have been on both sides of this argument over and over again. Their are too many variables to assign absolute rules. Sometimes the winning coach subs and the other coach presses his JV and embarasses them. By all means put the starters back in and run it up. Just one example that could be chosen from dozens.

 

In the situations described here. IMO, intolerable display of poor sportsmanship from the coach.

 

They called over 60 fouls in a JV game on one team?!?!?!

The buzzsaw continues...

 

Yates 142

Austin 52

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6836705.html

 

They actually called the press off for the 4th quarter...

I guess the coach is showing some compassion. Wonder if a 90 point win will keep them in the Top 5?

I'm guessing they don't play any good old boy Texas football schools. I would guess those boys wouldn't take too kindly to the beatings being administered. I am surprised we haven't heard of any hard fouls,fights,etc. from the teams that are getting hammered.

Here's another "defense" article:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6837078.html

Here's another "defense" article:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6837078.html

 

Good article - That team is truly amazing as high school sports in that area is as good as it gets and to be beating teams by the margin they are currently doing is hard to believe. They aren't doing it by facing teams like Silver Grove (no offense to the Trains) they are doing it by facing other big time programs in greater Houston. Every article I have read on this team has mentioned nothing but positives on this coach and this team. He's in a tough spot with that type of very rare talent on one team. For his stars and the other kids to prepare for next level - I know I would not want my kid learning by sitting back in a 2-3 zone - sleepwalking - after the first minute of every game just because they had a 30 point lead. You can make an argument possibly for seconf half or late second half - yes. But until then - play your rear ends off

Let me play devil's advocate for a second....

 

1.) Your daughter sells girl scot cookies. Her goal is 300 boxes but would also like to win the troop award for most boxes sold. You know for a fact that a girl has sold 350 boxes. Do you a.) tell her to sell 355 boxes or b.) sell as many as she can, even though at the banquet, she could end up selling twice as many as the second girl?

 

2.) You're the coach of the academic bowl team. It's just one of those days where your kids are reacting as if they wrote the questions themselves. It's a big margin. Do you tell your kids to play dumb and not answer questions so you dont make the other team look bad

Let me play devil's advocate for a second....

 

1.) Your daughter sells girl scot cookies. Her goal is 300 boxes but would also like to win the troop award for most boxes sold. You know for a fact that a girl has sold 350 boxes. Do you a.) tell her to sell 355 boxes or b.) sell as many as she can, even though at the banquet, she could end up selling twice as many as the second girl?

 

2.) You're the coach of the academic bowl team. It's just one of those days where your kids are reacting as if they wrote the questions themselves. It's a big margin. Do you tell your kids to play dumb and not answer questions so you dont make the other team look bad

 

1. Apples to oranges. Doesn't even make sense.

 

2. Hopefully, the adults in charge would know before hand that the match shouldn't be scheduled. If it had to be played and one team was not answering ANY questions (and I'm not sure exactly how these are run) maybe you eliminate the buzzer and offer up alternate questions to each team after the outcome has been decided so both can answer questions.

Here's another "defense" article:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6837078.html

 

I'm sure they are good kids and the coach does a nice job with them on and off the court. However, the coach's excuses are lame. Trying to say that he needs to prepare his team for the post-season is a joke. They aren't getting any better pounding these teams. They are getting better in practice playing each other. They are more likely to be getting into bad habits by getting away with things that they won't get away with against top competition. As far as preparing them for college, pressing weak teams and running lay-up lines against them while you win by 100 or more isn't helping them. Run an offense (if they even do that) all the way through and get a good shot in the half-court. Practice THAT. THAT is what you'll need in the post-season.

Great FSU Coach, Bobby Bowden, was asked a while back on how he would respond to another coach who thinks he is running up the score and he said he would tell the opposing coach-- "It's your job to keep the score down, not mine. If you don't like the score, either recruit harder or coach better. I've got to coach my team and you've got to coach yours. You can only coach one team."

 

College is a lot different from high school. Like stated in the quote recruit harder. Recruiting isn't a privelage in High School sports, and some schools can't get the athletes that others are fortunate to have. Whether it be inner city or what not. 170-35 is as unsportsmanlike as it gets. You make the same statement from a 95-35 or even 100-35 score. Everyone knows you are the much better team by that margin of victory rather than imbarrasing a team by 135 points. What exactly does that prove? What statement does that make? To me it shows no class from the administration down and no positive example. When you put your starters back in when you up by 30 with 3 minutes left to try and break 100 that's asking for what many have already said, for someone to get hurt. The statement is made in the 30 points while your seconds or thirds are in the game. this coach may not be blessed with this talent in a few years and if I were a rival coach who has a good athletic class you can bet your life savings I will return the favor. Does that make me any better probably not, but what goes around comes around.

I'm sure they are good kids and the coach does a nice job with them on and off the court. However, the coach's excuses are lame. Trying to say that he needs to prepare his team for the post-season is a joke. They aren't getting any better pounding these teams. They are getting better in practice playing each other. They are more likely to be getting into bad habits by getting away with things that they won't get away with against top competition. As far as preparing them for college, pressing weak teams and running lay-up lines against them while you win by 100 or more isn't helping them. Run an offense (if they even do that) all the way through and get a good shot in the half-court. Practice THAT. THAT is what you'll need in the post-season.

 

agreed. But they pounded top competition in Hawaii and in Alabama - winning both tournaments - so they are getting away with something against top competition. And I am sure there is no half court offense with this team - its all run and gun - see former Yates star Clyde Drexler - also Greg "Cadilac" Anderson - there is a long list of phenoms from Yates

I'm sure they are good kids and the coach does a nice job with them on and off the court. However, the coach's excuses are lame. Trying to say that he needs to prepare his team for the post-season is a joke. They aren't getting any better pounding these teams. They are getting better in practice playing each other. They are more likely to be getting into bad habits by getting away with things that they won't get away with against top competition. As far as preparing them for college, pressing weak teams and running lay-up lines against them while you win by 100 or more isn't helping them. Run an offense (if they even do that) all the way through and get a good shot in the half-court. Practice THAT. THAT is what you'll need in the post-season.

Excellent post! :thumb:

And to think some of us bashed Elliott Co for beating teams by 30-50 points last year...shame on all of you! :lol:

 

These scores put a whole new meaning in to "running up the score."

agreed. But they pounded top competition in Hawaii and in Alabama - winning both tournaments - so they are getting away with something against top competition. And I am sure there is no half court offense with this team - its all run and gun - see former Yates star Clyde Drexler - also Greg "Cadilac" Anderson - there is a long list of phenoms from Yates

 

They COULD beat any team in the nation. Just saying that what they're doing against these teams isn't doing anyone any good. It's stictly for the coaches ego.